What is the Value Proposition for Buying Hive?

antisocialist last month

There is no value in the proposition.
The proffer has been the same all along.
I've been restating it for most of the last 8 years.
Nothing has changed.

The proffer:

We, the ninjamine era stake, will reap the pool for all it's worth and you can have the crumbs.
Don't like it, leave.

Imagine thinking this is a viable offer to make in the market.
Imagine thinking that denying newb attractants to newbs, because you can't be assed to curate only people that don't immediately dump, is the most elegant solution.

'Oh, that is too much trouble for us.'
'Besides, we want cheap hive so we can haz moar!'
'Now we burn it instead.'

It's up to the restivus to put this nightmare behind us.
Buy more hive.
Power is as cheap as it's ever been.

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valued-customer last month (edited)

Pretty soon you'll be able to buy all the Hive for almost nothing, because you will be the only one that wants it. Until you outweigh the ~36 whales that have controlled governance completely because they have >50% of the stake, you will have zero power to govern Hive. Governance is broken, bugged from the perspective of the 'people', but for the cabal that bug is a feature that enables them to keep a 100% lock on power to govern if they maintain >50% of stake weight. As long as they completely govern the witnesses and the code, they continue to extract the vast majority of stake from the rewards pool.

Unless you can buy more than half the stake, you cannot increase your power to govern Hive. Less than 50% of the stake is 0% of governance.

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antisocialist last month

I keep telling them that folks are not gonna buy in with that being the offer.

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rainbowdash4l last month (edited)

Hive is a niche blockchain ecosystem where users can gain meaningful influence with relatively low capital, powered by strong technical foundations and a scala of native games, applications, and community driven platforms.

Unlike larger, capital heavy networks, Hive combines accessibility with real utility offering decentralized social platforms, play-to-earn games, and active forums that reward participation, not just investment.

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danielvehe last month

Hive can’t rely on a single value proposition. We need to identify people’s “pain points” and show how Hive alleviates that pain. This is crucial for developers. They create apps that nobody asks for; they don’t research the problem they’re trying to solve.

Hive can solve a lot of problems, and new solutions can also be built.

What appeals to me is the reward system. A collaborative economy, where I increase my earnings when I support creators. But I know I’m a weirdo in this individualistic society, where personal performance is the only thing that matters.

Unfortunately, I’m disappointed to have supported so many people who end up leaving.

I’m also drawn to having an immutable ledger. The idea of permanence.

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hurtlocker last month (edited)

If you had to think of at least one value proposition for BUYING Hive. What would it be?

Not using Hive, but Buying Hive?

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danielvehe last month

Earning passive income while supporting creators in a win-win sharing economy

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buttcoins last month

To me the value proposition is ‘Own Your Social Media’
In a time when we are the actual products of any new social media, our metadata and eyeballs are the prize. Many are sick of it. To my eyes our target market is anyone who wants to take back some semblance of control over their online presence/autonomy.
I’m not sure if it is a clear value proposition. Yet it is what attracts me. Ive been willing to invest because Hive is closer to the type of social media that id like to see.
It is not perfect, there are still whale realities that feel less decentralized.
I was always attracted to the idea that as an investor in hive, you become part CEO. That just feels more human friendly. I’m convinced the zuckerfucks and musks of this world dont care much about humanity.

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topcomment last month

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agmoore last month (edited)

My son lured me to Hive with a value proposition, although I didn't think of it in those terms.

I was spending a lot of time on Twitter. Got a pretty good following. Engaged regularly with some people. Then my son said,

"Why don't you go on Steemit? You can do everything you do on Twitter and there is free speech there. No central control. Also, you can earn coins while you do it."

Coins were not the main lure.

I think people leave for a number of reasons. One is that upvotes cost money--maybe that's the problem. Maybe 'likes' shouldn't cost money. Maybe we should have a dual system under the posts...non-monetary likes and monetary upvotes. Then people could simply like, or vote. Engagement would likely grow. Comments would likely proliferate. These also could be liked or upvoted. I think that might spiff things up. Make this more like a traditional social networking platform. Money would still flow. It just wouldn't serve to slow down engagement anymore.

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valued-customer last month

upvotes cost money

No, they don't. The genius of the platform is that the money that pays the creators upvoted doesn't come from our personal wallets, but from the rewards pool. That enabled curators to pay creators without that money coming out of their personal wallets.

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ecoinstant last month

Is this the only unique thing HIVE does? or just the main one?

!PIMP

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valued-customer last month

Hive does several things well. Not all the things Hive does well are beneficial to Hive users. One thing Hive does well is concentrate governance in the ~36 whales that stepped up and mined Steem tokens in 2016, after the shenanigans Dan and Ned used to enable them to mine the Founder's stake that Ned later sold to Sun Yuchen that enabled him to completely centralize governance of the platform. On Hive this Founder's stake was converted to the DHF, that is slowly being mined by Blocktrades, Smooth, and the governing plutocracy because as user retention continues to fail, that is where the majority of money can be extracted from the platform.

It also facilitates censorship of dissent and functionally banning accounts by eradicating 100% of author rewards through incessant flagging of every post and comment by targeted accounts, storage of raw data on the blockchain, and the aforementioned feeless, 3 second transactions, and development by independent coders, although that can be suppressed just as easily as dissent. The open source code enables forking by anyone with the chops, and this has been done more than once, including to create Hive. None of these forks has eliminated the problematic plutocratic winner take all governance and DV's without introducing new and equally troubling problems.

Now that KYC for internet access, or even to fire up a computer, is being implemented across the world, the window of time in which a true free speech user owned platform could conquer social media, and thus the world, appears to be closing, and I fear Hive has run it's course. I sure hope I'm wrong, but no one has even argued that isn't happening, much less convinced me. Hive cannot offer free speech riding on a network infrastructure that forces biometric ID on everyone using it. Free speech is the fundamental value prospect Hive could have offered, but has failed to provide, and now the opportunity has all but been eliminated by mandatory biometric KYC to use the global network hardware owned by our would be masters.

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geneeverett last month

I’m done basically. The red flags have been everywhere for years but in January 2025 I made a choice to power down 90% my stake and take advantage of pump to .68 cents. Glad I did, all I see is whales now giving exit packages to there friends 🤡. Now not even pretending to be for future work to promote but back pay for 6 years. I’m out. I’m gonna post a few more music posts I do on Tuesday’s but I’m basicly out now.
You have been valued account! I appreciate our interactions and all you posted over the years in #InformationWar community! Cheers friend!

This is a new level of it that even b4. Hive will be sub penny, I kept 5K powered up for giggles but I’m removing it all as protest now.

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agmoore last month

The genius of the platform

It is genius. It amazes me, as it amazes me when I turn on my car and it goes. I don't understand the mechanics of either. I only can report my experience. It's that experience that has a bearing on the attractiveness to other users.

When I go on Twitter (since Musk took over that is rare), I can like 50 posts and it does not cut into my ability to upvote more. I can like, comment, repost without limit. As a matter of fact the more I do that, the more likely I am to get noticed and to get 'followers'. Engagement leads to more engagement. The design of that platform is to get people to engage, to like, repost and comment.

Hive is different. The design induces the user to be selective in engagement. There is a wallet with a finite amount of 'mana'. Every time a user votes, mana is depleted. The finite nature of mana is an automatic constraint on engagement. I refer to mana as money because that is the currency on Hive. If we want lively engagement here, wouldn't it be good to have a system where users could 'like' a post and that action wouldn't deplete mana? The very fact of depletion is a disincentive to engagement.

We need more engagement. We need people to feel the charge--the surge of dopamine they get when they are on other social media platforms and they get 'liked'. It's that charge that holds them and brings them back.

If the token is not the primary lure, then a rise and fall in prices will not have a dramatic effect on user base.

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chinito last month

also, new hivers don't have enough RC so rarely upvote posts, saving all their precious RC so they can post. but at least they comment or re-blog. to me, that is like them upvoting my posts.

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agmoore last month

Just another way to control them. It's meant to give them an appetite to grow their stake. All it does is choke off engagement. Engagement is the lifeblood of a social networking platform. At its heart, Hive is different from other crypto because it is based on a social networking platform. All the content in the world is useless unless there are people who read it and respond to it. Choking that off ultimately kills the coin.

I think :))

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valued-customer last month

Fiat is not the primary reason I do work for my neighbors. I spent hours on my knees today in the mud double digging and stripping weeds from the garden of a little old lady without pay. I primarily do work for my neighbors so that they prosper, and they have goodwill for me. If I need something folks I have served from my heart are unlikely to leave me in need. But, I cannot always work without pay. I have to have gas to get my truck to jobsites, to get materials for jobs I do, and all the things I do I don't ask somebody to cover because they're minor things. Not getting paid for any jobs, even though getting paid isn't my primary reason for working, will have a dramatic effect on my ability to do work.

There are people here who's primary goal is earning tokens. There are other people, like me, for whom earning tokens isn't my primary interest. Because there are both, and many other, motivations for using Hive, rising and falling prices does have a dramatic effect on the userbase. It also has dramatic effects for reasons unrelated to personal income for many here. @geneeverett has pointed out the collapse of Hive's token price is a red flag that causes him to lose confidence in the sustainability of the platform. That also affects me similarly. There are other reasons than personal finance that Hive token price affects Hive users.

I cannot agree that the token not being the primary lure will preclude dramatic effect on the userbase when prices rise and fall for the above reasons, and more I spared you my excessive verbosity besides.

"The design of that platform is to get people to engage, to like, repost and comment."

After Musk acquired Twatter, I tried it again. When I upvoted and reposted Twits' tweets, I got throttled. There is a political agenda that affected you and I differently. The more you posted and engaged, the more you were encouraged to post and engage. The more I posted and engaged, the harder I was throttled until my account was suspended, and I gave up in disgust.

Your experience is not ubiquitous. Other experiences may not be apparent to you, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

The earning of rewards on posts is dependent on people upvoting those posts with their VP. If there was no VP, there would be no rewards for posts, and the fundamental value proposition that Steem introduced in 2016, that social media platforms that profited richly from people using those platforms to post and engage one another could be replaced with Steem that enabled the creators of social media posts to earn by being paid by their audiences, rather than advertising making platform owners rich, and paying the creators of the content that made them rich nothing. While that was largely a deception, because the ~36 whales that have maintained governance of the platform since they minded their whale stakes in 2016 capture >90% of the inflation from the rewards pool, leaving the rest of us competing for the remaining <5%, many people are intent on receiving rewards, some even almost exclusively intent on those rewards - such as the ~36 whales that govern the platform.

I do not stop engaging when I do not receive tokens for that engagement. I am not primarily here for tokens. But there would be no here for me to engage with were there no tokens rewarding engagement, so I do care about the price rising and falling, because it brings people here, or chases them away from here. There are thousands of accounts I lament the loss of that have left for one reason or another since I encountered them here. I don't lament the loss of their tokens, but the loss of their acuity, insight, and wisdom, acerbic wit, and knowledge they shared here while they were here. I bet you can name a few, at least, who have departed you would prefer to be able to interact with here.

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geneeverett last month

I said nothing like this. Price is not reason at all. I think I was pretty clear.

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valued-customer last month

What I said was '@geneeverett has pointed out the collapse of Hive's token price is a red flag that causes him to lose confidence in the sustainability of the platform.'

You specifically mentioned selling at $.68. You referred to red flags. How did I misinterpret your remarks?

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hurtlocker last month

I don't think the price is the main problem.

If buying Hive doesn’t have a clear value proposition outside of getting more power, I think people should seriously try to brainstorm a new value proposition.

IMO simply having power is not attractive to most people in the same way it was even 20 years ago.

I am going to pin this post again because I think this post serves as a good place for people to come by brainstorm together.

Not sure if you saw My Hive Retirement Party post but I hope you stop by that post for the “party”

It was really nice getting to know you.

Sorry I muted you a while back, I was getting overwhelmed with information and I needed a break. Not really a you problem either I just needed a break and if you leave me comments I read them. 😅

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valued-customer last month

I don't fret about other people much. I have enough trouble managing me. I am happy to have got to have such vibrant, wide-ranging discussions with you, because you have a unique outlook and active mind that causes me to have to think more, harder, and in new directions. I hope you have benefited from my own discussions as I have from yours. That is my purpose here, to enable people to better understand things that matter to them, and I don't think we discussed anything you didn't care about.

Be well!

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chinito last month

THE SPICE MUST FLOW..

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nattosenpai last month

I completely agree with your point of view regarding Hive. I am one of those who think that more marketing, promotion and hype is needed from developers and teams/projects on Hive to make themselves known to new people. But the idea is, who to offer Hive to, who to talk to about Hive, and what to tell them. The idea of the "target audience" that Hive should be aiming at is much more subjective than one might imagine.

Let me explain, as a content creator, I spent years searching among many crypto projects for a place where I could own something without fear of losing it, being scammed, and things like that. Among the many projects and platforms I have encountered, tested, and started, none have stood the test of time. Only Hive was the only place that managed to stay afloat, and that gave me the confidence to start here and create something of my own, my own blog, my own brand, my own image. All this without fear of censorship, advertisements, absurd rules, high commissions, or anything like that.

In other words, as a creator, I believe that Hive is perfect for anyone looking to create and own something in a safe and reliable place. But it doesn't stop there, as Hive is not only home to creators, but also to developers, professionals, entrepreneurs, artists, and more. Each user can (and surely has already done so) share their experience on Hive and say in their own words what target audience is perfect for this great ecosystem.

I believe that, in this way, a good value proposition can be developed, not only for investors, but also for those creators and users who are looking for a perfect special for to make their dreams come true.

I apologize for how passionate the end of my comment was; I usually get too carried away with these things. 😅

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diegoloco last month (edited)

Hive is a crypto ecosystem and a social network. I think it's worth more. Today I was looking into the ecosystem more and bought a couple of WORKERBEE tokens; they're miners of Bee, which is the token of the Hive Engine. So I think I bought two Bee tokens. Then I saw Drip.
!PIZZA
So I'll allocate some of my meager gaming earnings to ecosystem tokens.

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chronocrypto last month

Bee drip is always good

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valued-customer last month

"I think we need to find answers to these questions."

These questions were well answered in 2017, when a flood of new users to the platform began after April. The poor treatment by Web2 platforms that profited immensely from their social media posts, contrasted by the platform's promise to neither censor nor ban people for posting their honest thoughts, and the prospect of their audience paying them directly, was exactly what hundreds of millions of people wanted, and those that found the platform making those promises thought they had found it.

However, those promises were not kept, and ~1M users that undertook the onboarding process and learning curve were incessantly censored and functionally banned by the ruling junta DV'ing their every post and comment to 0. That was done to prevent the majority of stake held by that junta from being distributed to a large user base and depriving them of complete control of platform governance, which they retain to this day.

Today the foetid stench of that betrayal of the market continues to precede discussion of the platform, and pro-actively prevents new users from joining, and continually discourages users that expected to persist on the platform from doing so. The false claim that the platform is censorship resistant is widely known to be false, because the tens of thousands of influencers that signed up and intended to bring their audiences here made sure their audiences were well aware of what happened to them.

The only marketing department social media platforms need are popular creators happy to be posting their content on those platforms. That's the target the ruling junta censored and demonetized, in order to retain complete control of governance and money flows from the rewards pool. You seem to have come to understand this, from your most recent post stating you are powering down. It must have been very disappointing to you, and I wish I could do something about it.

I have tried with every ability I have to convince the junta that they would profit by relaxing their grip and making governance something each and every person had a stake in, rather than perpetuating their total control through plutocratic power, but I have failed. Several forks have tried to change how the platform worked, but none have succeeded either, while Blurt yet persists, it does so burdened by other issues stemming from centralization.

True decentralized governance of social media hasn't been tried yet, and claiming plutocratic governance is anything other than the age old Golden Rule by them that have the gold would be a funny joke if humanity wasn't staring WWIII down the barrel today, that a truly decentralized platform that enabled people to speak freely and be compensated by their audience might have prevented.

Thanks for asking though, and it was nice knowing you while you were here.

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hurtlocker last month

Sorry I just caught this. I mainly have powered down cause I want to invest into something else. Also it wasn't a single factor decision on my part.

I actually updated my power down post to provide a better "explanation."

I think Hive has potential for sure. I think if people work together in a positive way you guys can come up with other value propositions to buy Hive.

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valued-customer last month

I hadn't seen that post before I commented, or, at least, not in it's current form, where you imparted a different reason for leaving. I'm not asking what investment is more attractive to you. I am certain sure that if Hive lived up to it's potential, no alternative investment would be more attractive, because Hive would utterly dominate social media, and be the most profitable investment in the world.

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hurtlocker last month (edited)

It’s not just purely an investment return thing though, A lot of it has to with the power component which does not really exist for other things in the same way.

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valued-customer last month

Good. I agree there are ways in which power of Hive as social media is unique, in which power on Hive is wielded uniquely, but I don't know which power you are referring to. I understand you don't want to wield power on Hive, and I respect that choice. I strive hard not to wield any power over others if I can help it. There are times when I must, but I do my best to minimize that.

I really wasn't trying to ferret out your reasons for your decision, because that's yours alone and none of my business. I'm happy for you that there is an investment you intend to make that makes more sense to you, and I hope you benefit from it as you intend to.

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hurtlocker last month

I'm happy for you that there is an investment you intend to make that makes more sense to you, and I hope you benefit from it as you intend to.

Even if it doesn’t work out as intended, which does happen sometimes, at least I won’t have to talk to anyone about it 🤣

Maybe Hive needs like “B” Hive tokens, tokens that I can use to curate but don’t have a roll in downvotes and does not have proposals.

Will this idea happen? I doubt it. If anything this “idea” is easy to say but probably very hard to implement in a way that would not have unforeseen downstream consequences.

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valued-customer last month

"...at least I won’t have to talk to anyone about it 🤣"

LOL

It can be difficult not to use power that is available to you. IME it's just as important to decline to use power you don't want to use as it is to use it wisely when you do. You don't have to vote on proposals. You don't have to use the DV's available to you. Nancy Reagan explained how: Just say no.

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hurtlocker last month

It can be difficult not to use power that is available to you.

I spent a decent amount of time studying philosophy.

I believe not making a decision is a decision.

Not everyone agrees with that but that is what I believe.

As you know, I’m always welcome to be proven wrong but I’ve spent a lot of time on that particular idea and I would be surprised if you could prove me wrong on this particular idea that “not making a decision is a decision.”

Cheers man. I’m going to get back to the party.

I’m way low on mana but it’s nice to see people still engaging in the comments.

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angeluxx last month

Okay, okay... it's important... the example you give provides a very important clue... you want us to reflect and delve deeper into the question. Why would someone invest in Hive as a platform? I'll think about it, analyze it... I'll scrutinize it thoroughly and get my own answer, mine alone, without using AI or being influenced by others, and when I have it, I'll come back.

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hurtlocker last month

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angeluxx last month

I think we're in a very serious situation with the percentage of votes. GIF

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buratus last month

"What is the Value Proposition for Buying Hive?"

HIVE is a currency that was use on HIVE blockchain. So if you have many HIVE, you are wealthy on that blockchain. And if you treat a blockchain like a country, you might be one of the account users that will gain a seat of a ruler/politician that can affect the cointry's decision. So value proposition of hive for me, is "power".

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bozz last month

Fast feeless transactions. That seems like a pretty good value to me. I guess only if you look at other chains. There still needs to be a use case and I don't think anyone has quite agreed on what that is yet.

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borsengelaber last month

„In my opinion, we cannot market Hive well if we do not know what the Value Proposition is. In my opinion, we cannot market Hive effectively if we do not know who our target customer is.“

Very good point. For me a big part of the value propositiob of Hive is that we own our content and its unmutable. But the target customer group for this is not very big. Most people haven‘t really thought about this fact.

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borsengelaber last month

PS: What do you think is more important as a kind of life principle, asking why or why not? Have you ever thought about that, Hurt?

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hurtlocker last month

If I am already doing something, I ask, "why am I doing this?"

If I am not doing something, I ask, "why am I not do this?"

I am not a big fan of absolutes so I think it just depends. That being said, I didn't want to say "it depends" cause "it depends" is kind of a lame answer LOL!

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borsengelaber last month

Yes I think the same. It‘s not either/or but both, dependibg on the situation. 🤝🏻

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hurtlocker last month

That’s my thinking! It depends! 😅

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borsengelaber last month

Better than this Peter Thiel Zero/One or Black & White thinking. 🙌🏻
The world is a complex thing and if things work out depends on various aspects.

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hurtlocker last month

Yea Peter Thiel is clearly a brilliant guy but dam he has a weird track record with what he says.

South Park, as usual, was able to capitalize on this 😆

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borsengelaber last month

😂 Great GIF!

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hurtlocker last month

I try to deliver with my gifs LOL

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diegoloco last month

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hurtlocker last month

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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davideownzall last month

that value proposition should be 'buy so you can have influence in the chain, you can influence decisions, you can earn more and easier and earn popularity (aren't socials about popularity?)'... but then there are broken things, like dhf, extractors getting highly curated and so on which break that value

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diegoloco last month

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hurtlocker last month

*NFA *Kids Don't Try This at Home

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godfish last month

As I keep saying, Hive Power is called power for a reason.

People are often driven to the crypto universe due to their dissatisfaction with society, politics, and so on. Hive is a unique platform that gives us an opportunity to build a brand new, albeit virtual, society. Being a Hivean is worth it, I believe. And to be one, I need my HP stake.

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bulliontools last month

There are multiple value propositions that come to mind.

Create and curate to earn
Fast and fee-less transactions
Rewards for creating, interacting and socializing

I think the issue is not only are we in a bear market, but outside of Hive the token has very little utility. I think once MAGI is up and running to allow HIVE to act as a bridge crypto across different chains, we will see an uptick in demand due to how fast it is and there are no costs for sending or receiving.

All of crypto looks down right now, but if you believe in Hive like I do, it's a great buying opportunity while it's cheap.

!BBH
!PIZZA
!ALIVE
!PIMP
!DUO

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duo-tip last month

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videoaddiction last month

I think more users and investors can be drawed into HIVE by clearly explaining what sets Hive unique.

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urun last month

Well lower price is the best feature hive has now. It changes power from old hands and miss management to new hands that can force change.

But i see the problem with core devs also shield their " knowledge" behind walls. Dont talk to other people or share what they are doing.

Some dude made some version of smart media tokens ( maybe is shit) but got directly attacked by core devs since he randomly writes code.

I see only 1 way hive can become Fun and big. Make downvotes cost money ( voting power again, so its not free to attack) + Finance apps ( since free transactions and a native stablecoin used of it is smart).

Worst case it all ends up zero since i saw over the last years many projects, many DAO fundings of things that never happen.

From ETH fork to hive, smart media tokens, Smart wallets, Games and the list is endless.

The projects are currently building are IMO in a "thrive or die" phase.

Something i think about is a auto delegator of RC to new users. So they can post more without a limit, enjoy the platform and explore it without the need to buy directly.

This + finance apps ( multichain) can be a thing IMO.

And well, i know posting doesnt mean ppl are "entitled to rewards" but is how its displayed. Since Users use a "upvote" like a "like " on other social media platforms ( to show they did read it or send a reaction to it).

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valued-customer last month (edited)

Make downvotes cost money

I like this idea, but JPMorgan proves it's not enough to prevent destructive use.

You seem not to be aware that social media is the largest sector of global financial markets, and grew from nothing to dominance in ~10 years. People need to communicate forthrightly and freely, and no platform currently available allows that on a global scale. All that needs to happen for Hive to conquer the world is for censorship and functional banning to end.

Unfortunately, we seem to have arrived at the end of the internet, because having to provide biometric ID to use the internet will eliminate dissent, and that eliminates the value of free speech which provides danger signals. That's why we need free speech, and why lacking free speech is an existential threat to our lives. That existential utility of free speech is why social media became the largest sector of global financial markets in only ten years. KYC internet is not existentially useful, and will lose market share back to traditional market sectors, like governance and insurance, #1 and #2 financial sectors prior to the internet, and today #2 and #3, right behind social media.

Losing the ability to access the internet without being personally identified will eliminate the potential utility of social media, and we will learn why free speech is an existential need. WWIII will explain it to us very clearly.

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urun last month

yeah well, i think Hive OG users will drive the chain into a wall.

Is like basic math + Blockchain never did work ( only on bitcoin because users dont fuck around).

you cant have a stablecoin that prints inflation and add no demand if converted. Thats a put contract without adding demand if cleared. Retarded design ( but on hive we dont do math).

You also cant have downvotes that punish people and overwrite the vote of another user, for free. That makes the biggest stake opinion ( on the social part) the most valuable, thats gulag shit ( and is not about the rewards, if you downvote shit from users, they all take it personal).

And well, @acidyo thinks a downvote attack can be easy countered, well with the 5 new users ( at max) a day, they leave from alone lmao. Is more about "code is law" but even this is on hive not the case.

Shit gets reframed from proof of brain to now something like " proof of cyclejerk" i think is called different. But Hivewatchers did write the term somewhere. Good for users to know that want to invest in Hive, the hive laws change randomly. Like HBD, sometimes 20% yield, sometimes 15%.

So some random 20 hive witnesses act like the FED without data or some guideline, vibe rates.

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valued-customer last month

"...thats gulag shit..."

It absolutely is. The whales become the shot callers, but no one is sentenced to Hive, so their punks escape. This is exactly why user retention is abysmal. You're also right about HBD interest rates. This isn't something that should be set by the FED, but should be set by inflation. But it's more profitable than actually balancing inflation to control interest rates for the benefit of the plutocracy.

What Acidyo says he thinks and what IRL does are very obviously twain, but he knows that, because I have told him. Hive should not be anything like a plutocracy because nothing is more centralized than money. I think Dan and Ned didn't expect the plutocracy to be so larcenous that it killed the platform, and thought that it would mimic IRL where Liberal Democracies ruled the world 50 years ago. That is not the case today, and what plutocracy does best is war and destruction, because that's what is most profitable.

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albertocova last month

La propuesta de comprar hive es una propuesta de valor de comprar criptomonedas Hive (HIVE) radica en ser un activo nativo de una blockchain descentralizada, rápida y sin comisiones, diseñada para redes sociales, aplicaciones Web3 y economía de creadores. Permite la monetización directa de contenido, gobernanza en la plataforma y participación en un ecosistema inalterable.

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pizzabot last month (edited)

PIZZA!

$PIZZA slices delivered:
@bulliontools_(6/20) tipped @hurtlocker
diegoloco tipped hurtlocker

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chinito last month

yes, from an investment/make money POV, hive is NOT the best way. (although, its still something to make something just for blogging)

personally, I do hive for many other reasons and it was never about the money side of things.

that said, I do believe hive will make a comeback.. in terms of price of HIVE returning to previous levels or even making new highs someday, but again, that isn't necessary for me to stick around or even to grow this thing I've put in almost a decade of my life and now am very passionate about.

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tengolotodo last month

I do not see one and have not seen one. The price of HIVE has just declined. There is no value investment for buying HIVE. You are buying something that will be worthless.

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hurtlocker last month

Well this place can have a value proposition for buying Hive.

There are still more than enough people here that care about the future of the platform.

I think after my Hive Retirment party post is over I'll pin this again so people can always come by and leave a comment if they want. There should be a place where people can work together and brainstorm things like this.

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tengolotodo last month

It can and it should. Hive is great, but why would you buy HIVE?

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hurtlocker last month

I bought Hive because this place has a lot of potential.

Like ignore the price of the token for a second, the marketcap of Hive is crazy low for what Hive is.

My mistake was I’m not attracted to Power and don’t really like having power. So this whole time I have had a lot of HP it was super stressful for me personally.

That being said, having a lot of HP does work in that regard though, like it does give people more power to do things here.

But I think there needs to be a different value proposition for buying Hive besides just power. In my opinion anyways.

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mangajesus last month

Solid question
Yep

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bitmoving 13 days ago

The value proposition for Hive is actually clearer than it gets credit for — it's just packaged badly.

Most content platforms (Substack, YouTube, even Farcaster) monetize attention and route the economic value back to the platform. Hive routes it directly to the people doing the work: writers, curators, and long-term holders. That's genuinely differentiated.

The compounding mechanic matters here. HP is not just a token — it's a vote that compounds over time. The longer you hold and curate, the more your engagement is worth economically. That creates an incentive structure that rewards long-term participation over short-term speculation. Almost no other platform does this.

The honest weakness is discoverability. New users with rep 25 and 50 HP write quality posts that land in a vacuum because the distribution layer is still reputation-gated. That's a UX problem, not a value proposition problem — but they're easy to confuse.

Where I'd push back on the framing: the question shouldn't be "why buy Hive" but "why power up Hive." The value accrues to participants who stake and curate, not passive holders. That's the actual pitch.

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