Float Your Intelligence Boat

in Reflections9 days ago

I have a theory that if people were suddenly intelligent enough, the majority of the fighting amongst humans would end, and the focus would be put on thriving as a species. The argument against this is that smart people can be evil too of course, but I also think this position comes from a limited view of the level of intelligence needed, as we are anchored by what we know of intelligence today.

People aren't very smart.


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Even the smart ones.

I also occasionally ponder if or how different my life would be, had I been significantly more intelligent throughout my life and I suspect, it would have been very different. It is impossible to know for sure, but after having a stroke that has heavily affected the way I think and behave in the negative intelligence direction, I feel I have some insight into what a bump might do in the positive. Under less thought pressure, it would also lower emotional pressure and better decisions could be made.

But a massive bump in intelligence?

Remember when Neo was able to first see the Matrix and start dodging bullets? And then as he started to understand at a greater level, his ability to make decisions at speed in what was very slow for him was possible. He could do this because he could read the code and was able to see how everything was connected. Similarly, I think that if we were intelligent enough to actually see how everything was connected in life, we would stop fighting amongst ourselves and start expanding our species.

Just look at all the current conflicts in the world and recognise that despite how you feel about them, they are the disputes of small minds, from the leaders at the top to the plethora of people supporting them. Despite all the claims, there is very little intelligence involved, and next to zero at the levels required to make the mental shift to actually change it - let alone at the levels required to make the change at scale.

The fact is, we are idiots.

And while my daughter hates when I use that word, she is starting to realise it too. For instance, the other day we were walking and there was smashed glass on the path. And she said, why do people do that, and why wouldn't they pick it up? And then she looked up at me before I could answer, and she said - "Don't say it, daddy".

People just do senseless shit that even the most basic of person should realise isn't beneficial.

Not just to society, but ourselves. While the prevailing thought is that we "all act in our own self-interest", the fact is that what we see as beneficial in the moment doesn't mean it is beneficial in the next moment. For instance, the person who smashed the glass bottle might have got a bit of a dopamine kick and then, not picking it up makes life easier, but in the long term, is that going to make the person's life better, when everyone is doing the same? Similarly, someone who eats candy gets the "best interest" feeling in the moment on the tongue, but feels worse, thinks worse, and will likely look worse soon after.

Acting in self-interest doesn't mean doing what is best for ourselves.

Everyone might be working in a self-interested way, but that doesn't mean those actions are what is best for us in the short, medium, or long-term. For instance, people not controlling their emotions can have the immediate release of energy when angry, but ruin their relationships and potentially lives in that moment also. It is still self-interested behaviour.

Self-interest can be a terribly poor position.

However, enlightened self-interest is quite different, if we can consider that "enlightenment" is the ability to be like Neo, see the Matrix, and make better decisions in the moment. If we were in this enlightened state, we would realise that much like the conclusion those who have claimed it in the past have come to - that we are all in this boat together.

We float it, we sink it.

But those enlightened souls weren't and aren't intelligent enough to make a difference at scale, because to do that, would mean that not only would the majority need to be enlightened, but they would also have to have the practical capabilities to change their behaviour to work together to float the boat.

It seems incredibly unlikely, doesn't it?

Perhaps this is where technology comes into play, because AI could be the intelligence source that makes it imposiible for humans to fuck it all up, but in doing so we might actually lose the traits that make us human and, it is probably more likely that like the Matrix, we just become slaves to the technology. As if we aren't already.

But, it could also be that there is another technological breakthrough at the genetic level that can change our intelligence to the level required that we can become aware of our interconnectedness and reliance on each other and our self-interested actions align with the self- interested actions of everyone else too. In that case, we would work together to improve our world and each other, rather than fighting over useless shit that we should have been smart enough to stop fighting over millennia ago.

Who thinks they are smart enough?

Taraz
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I'm not saying I am super smart (because I am not), but believe it or not, I would almost rather be a little less smart if it meant I was more creative. I'd love to be able to draw or be proficient at a musical instrument.

I wonder how many creatives wish they were a little more intelligent?

That's a great question. It would be interesting to find out.

I wonder if being less smart would mean being happier. I think I read that intelligent people tend to be very lonely and sad. That makes sense. Not having anyone who could understand you would likely be quite hard.

Probably not just intelligent, but people who just think differently in general. My mind works a bit differently than most people in how I associate things and it can sometimes be a bit lonely.

I was practically laughing while reading this. We think we are smart but not smart enough. Also, we humans often believe that our smartness has to do with what you can get in life over other or how manipulative we can get towards life situation to suit our purpose. Looking at the endless war amongst humans of different countries over what exactly? Why can't humans live in harmony and peace at all times? Even though we all know that no man is perfect, can't we live together as one where no one would feel less inferior or weaker than others. The most powerful people of the world and the riches are the ones determining what work and what does not.

I do agree that if people were truly more intelligent, not just smart in the usual way but wise and deeply aware, we would stop doing things that harm ourselves and others.

Most fights and problems in the world come from people not thinking clearly or not seeing the bigger picture. It is always who gets most of it as they don’t often care who get harm in the process or what got destroyed. I also like the idea of "enlightened self-interest," doing what is truly best for ourselves and everyone else. If we could all think like that, the world would be much better. It won't just be an endless rat race who finds ourselves.

Why can't humans live in harmony and peace at all times?

here is nothing technical stopping us, other than our own stupidity.

not just smart in the usual way but wise and deeply aware,

Wisdom is having good judgement, based on experience and knowledge. Being really smart gives us the knowledge, the ability to learn from experience well, and good judgement based on it.

Human intelligence can be a double-edged sword in that it can be used to achieve a common good, but it can also be misdirected and end up causing a great deal of harm. Being intelligent is not the same as being wise, because no matter how much knowledge we may have, the question lies in how much we are doing to apply that intelligence in a practical way in our lives. Sometimes our emotions or feelings from past experiences end up conditioning our decisions, and perhaps that is why we all react in different ways to a given situation.

The example you mention regarding the movie "Matrix" perfectly highlights that degree of intelligence to which we could reach, and thus free ourselves from certain patterns that seem to lock us in a circle that so far you think is all that can be done. I believe that the magnitude of human intelligence is as wide as it is powerful, but many of us are sometimes satisfied with just walking around its edges without going deeper into it.

Being intelligent is not the same as being wise,

Maybe not at the levels of intelligence we have so far. At a high enough intelligence though, wisdom is essentially guaranteed.

we might actually lose the traits that make us human

I think that we have already "lost" a great many of these traits, that they have been conditioned out of our use. We still have them, but cannot use them because we've been told we do not have them. Intuition, for instance, is no longer valued. Career adventurism is not advised. Emotions are wrongly, I believe, seen as separate from intelligence.

This is the intelligence gap you speak of. We are every bit as smart, but don't know how to employ our full intelligence. And if we make a large shift into using AI for everything, it will be nails in our intelligence coffins.

But, it could also be that there is another technological breakthrough at the genetic level that can change our intelligence to the level required that we can become aware of our interconnectedness and reliance on each other and our self-interested actions align with the self- interested actions of everyone else too.

I doubt it! I prefer to believe that nothing is more powerful than human-ness on this planet, that tinkering with genetics is playing god, and that we must get back to being fully human, not slaves to governments and their toys of control. AI could be the ultimate of those. I refuse to deliberately use AI for anything, although that is becoming more and more difficult.

Emotions are wrongly, I believe, seen as separate from intelligence.

Most don't understand what emotions are, and overvalue their intuition and feelings - even though they don't know why they do. Intuition is great, if one has the right experience and wisdom to apply - without experience, or with "internet experience" - intuition is heavily flawed.

And if we make a large shift into using AI for everything, it will be nails in our intelligence coffins.

Which is precisely what I think is happening now. We are so stupid, we think we are being smart.

that tinkering with genetics is playing god

This is how we got here already - genetic mutation. Who is to say it won't happen again for the better :)

I also occasionally ponder if or how different my life would be, had I been significantly more intelligent throughout my life and I suspect, it would have been very different.

I assume that higher intelligence would help me a lot. I would be able to read people better. And then I could maybe sell more art. Also if I was smarter I could learn new techniques faster.

I would be able to read people better.

Reading people is just understanding the equations under different conditions :)

Although there’s potential for technology to lead us towards better decision-making and collaboration, there’s also a risk of dependency or loss of essential human skills.

Yep. And I suspect that due to human stupidity, there is far more chance of it costing us, than bringing species benefits.

When it comes to intelligence, a physicist called Neil Degrass Tyson said, all our so called smartness is in that tiny percentage difference between us and the monkey so yes not that much. People aren't that smart and I also do believe all of these wars that cost us more than it profits us is prove that even the smart ones really aren't that smart

People aren't that smart and I also do believe all of these wars that cost us more than it profits us is prove that even the smart ones really aren't that smart

The smartest amongst us, are still idiots from where we need to be.

Truth has been spoken by you on a Sunday 😂👍

I usually feel smarter after a few beers.

I don't think intelligence has much to do with it, and could possibly make things worse. We think we are rational beings. But the unvarnished truth is that we make emotional decisions and then use our intelligence to rationalize or justify those decisions.

Take for example, government. For the most part, these are the "elite". They are largely a group of lawyers(doctors in jurisprudence), doctors (not physicians), and otherwise highly educated. Yet they have totally gummed up (polite term) society with their politics.

A less polite way of saying it is that higher intelligence yields higher level fuck-ups that are just more difficult to explain.

I think that the general fear that super AI could take over the world is telling of our innate human sense that higher intelligence is dangerous.

A less polite way of saying it is that higher intelligence yields higher level fuck-ups that are just more difficult to explain.

As I think I explained, this is how most people anchor intelligence, to what they think is intelligent now. I am not talking about 150 IQs - I am talking about 600+ IQs or something like that - whatever level it needs to be to really understand the interconnectedness. It is far higher than any human has ever seen before.

I think that the general fear that super AI could take over the world is telling of our innate human sense that higher intelligence is dangerous.

I don't think higher intelligence is the problem with AI. I think you are conflating issues.

I'm referring to the visceral distrust of AI. I don't personally think it has merit. That animal part of us has a distrust of cleverness.

I think what you are hoping is that higher intelligence would come with higher conscientiousness. I think these are separate things. Conscientiousness can be inculturated so that intelligence is not necessary. I think your daughter is the perfect example. She is conscientious about cleaning up after yourself and not calling people idiots. I'm sure she's a bright young mind, but she didn't need 600 IQ to understand that certain things aren't right.

I think you have misunderstood the problem. It isn't about conscientiousness alone, because problems still have to be solved in a complex and complicated system. No matter how conscientious my daughter is, she isn't going to create clean energy with it, is she? At a high enough intelligence, clean energy could be created, and used wisely.

If this technology can bring us together which I suspect will be a time taking journey. Humans naturally aren't very inclined to be with each other except the opposite gender...

Humans naturally aren't very inclined to be with each other except the opposite gender...

I think we are made to be together, but not at the scale we currently interact. Small tribes that relied on each other, and had to work together to survive, did okay. Now though, people don't really even work to survive, except in an artificial economic sense.

I agree that we lack that broader vision to avoid so many conflicts. I think that “intelligence,” as we usually understand it, is a concept we've created to quantify knowledge, but it doesn't necessarily measure how rational we are. That ability you describe to “see the Matrix” and act with true common sense is what would truly drive us to cooperate and prosper, beyond the simple accumulation of data. I hope we reach that “awakening.”

It is probably impossible to accomplish, but the thing is, that if it would work, we should be pushing to awaken more constantly.

Yuval Noah Harari, in his book ‘Homo Deus’, draws scenarios where biotechnology and artificial intelligence could give rise to a new elite of enhanced ‘superhumans’, leaving behind a vast majority of ‘useless’ ones, if we look at them only from an economic point of view. Is that the future we want? A future where being technologically enhanced is yet another reason to divide society, making the gaps bigger instead of smaller? When Albert Camus said that ‘true generosity towards the future consists in giving everything to the present’, he was inviting us to think about our responsibility today for what tomorrow will be like. Are we really being generous to the future if we let our fascination with technological progress blind us to its possible consequences for individuals and society?

In the 20th century, technological progress was driven by a small handful of pioneers and scientists financed by the state. People with very high intelligence are always few and far between, and they are usually not in politics.

just imagine if 500 was the lowest IQ.

Ah intelligence and aptitude isn’t all it is cracked up to be.

I believe that, along with the potential for enlightenment and intelligence, we also possess the deep-seated need to be lazy. Take shortcuts, especially when we think our intelligence enables us to get to point be without touching all the bases the stupid people must touch.

A lavish lifestyle comes from amassing money and balancing the life sacrificed in getting that money. The money must come from other people or groups of people so it becomes a competition thing on one of a few levels.

What is really grinding my gears lately is the governmental sacrifice of helping and serving the people for fiscal “responsibility” or efficiency. Of course this is just masked greed and the policy makers are so far from the needy on purpose, it is easy to cut them off.

The only reason I would accumulate beyond my means is so that I could help others. Share the wealth and take care of other people. Too bad this isn’t the general global attitude like you say.

we also possess the deep-seated need to be lazy.

But I wonder, is there a point of intelligence that we are able to first clearly see, and then easily overcome our shortcomings?

What is really grinding my gears lately is the governmental sacrifice of helping and serving the people for fiscal “responsibility” or efficiency.

Greed barely disguised. But the disguise can be poor now, because people are even stupider than earlier.

Ah yes. All the easier to grift for excess!

The more intelligent we are the more productive we are. The Prof is in the difference between humans and animals. Look what we've accomplished more than other animals. When dinosaurs were around, they lived millions of years and no new development, we came few thousands of years and we're capable of blowing up the Earth on our own 😂 plot twist 😎

I think that before we are smart enough, we will end ourselves in a fiery bang.

I want to be as optimistic as possible but it's hard to argue with that possibility

I have always had this idea that Democracies are destined to fail, because over 50% of the population are idiots. This is true for any country in my opinion. If we could raise the intelligence level of the general population to non-idiot level it would be a huge progress for all humanity.

I have always had this idea that Democracies are destined to fail, because over 50% of the population are idiots.

Snap! I have always thought the same too. And then, the idiots also have the most kids historically, so it is no wonder that we are now in a period of idiocrasy.

The main point is that if majority of the people are smart and intelligent the evil or the bad energy will go by it's own because what I have seen is that intelligent people don't focus upon these kinds of things.
The way you mentioned that if you were significantly more intelligent, I really appreciate the way you want to improve yourself significant and evolve more but being more intelligence or gaining knowledge isn't the main focus for living it's actually how we use our current knowledge effectively because no one is perfect, you still have some sorts of flaws within yourself.