RE: Downvote control tool proposal delivery #2

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RE: Downvote control tool proposal delivery #2

ganjafarmer in #downvotes • 6 years ago

And seems like some of the owners are flagging their customers.

And kinda killed any chance at being independent. Like me.

I use smartmarket and they got hit. Tipu as well. Ocdb is sending out warnings.. that's cool but yeah no warnings just slapping flags around.

I'll be honest. If you are with a big group you get more rewards. And this kills the little people or small groups.

Now more personal malicious flags will come out.

Well this place is looking like decentralization is getting centralized in the group owners.

And attacking bidbots hurts the community.

Not profitable? So it's just that we should join groups and pay with delegations to earn votes?

Now why isn't the real abuse being stopped and more work being put into rewarding real content creators....

That's a big one... Why isn't the real abuse being stopped?

6 years ago in #downvotes by ganjafarmer

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pharesim 6 years ago

I agree with you that owners flagging their customers is crazy, I couldn't believe when I saw that happening recently. Way to get rid of customers yourself, but the honest way would be to just undo the deal.

The honest way to get votes is consistency and networking. Like on any other social media platform. Of course luck plays a role too.
Any kind of buying, be it with liquid steem or with delegation, is a form of abuse and shifts the playing field towards those who can afford that.

There are a lot of people fighting real abuse, and the amount of manual curation has risen too. We're not at a point where everything would be great yet, but we got a bit closer.

Regarding decentalization, in my view we could be a lot further with that if the big userbase understood earlier that paying middle men to boost their short term profits doesn't help, and the good way would be investing in their own SP instead. Every buy from a bot, every rented delegation, filled the pockets of a few who now have disproportionate power without having done anything for that.
It's far from being centralized, as different groups have different goals, but I too would wish for a much better distribution. Doing my part, as everyone else should see what they can do. Complaining about not being able to feed the giants any more is certainly not the way.

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seckorama 6 years ago

Well, from the other side - I noticed that this anti-bot groups have their own bots for downvoting. And this is? What? Normal? Decentralized?
And what about staking tokens? Just for example: I'm staking CCC tokens and get the value (CCC token) for my posts from the CCC tribe, regarding the my stake and some other parameters probably. But what they use for delegating the power (read CCC tokens)? Probably some alghorhitms...(read bots...).. and I'll be again downvoted from some maniac/psycho/ botmaybe?...
It's not that easy, I think this downvoting will give us very strange community and it's not the right direction for Steem ecosystem.

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pharesim 6 years ago

There's nothing to say against automation and bots in general. What's condemned are profit oriented vote sellers. They are called bid bots, and although only the second part of the term is used many times when talking about them for convenience, it's the first one which is the problem.

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revolutionstcafe 6 years ago

^This. You should check out my comment thread with ocdb in my most recent post over him and his cronie downvoting bs. This attitude will kill this platform if it isn't put in check right now. Of course, as a content creator, it seems we have no say in these downvote orgies. I lost more than half of what I made from my post but they claim their curation is worth more? Wake the fuck up.

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pharesim 6 years ago

Correction: half of what you hoped to make by buying votes ;) These rewards aren't gone, they're just not assigned to you any more. Others who don't buy votes will get them now, by being curated organically. The times to buy yourself into trending are over, you need to live with that and adapt.

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