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RE: Decentralized Standards Of Behavior | Ranty STEEM Freewrite

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Dear @joshman

Interesting read. However I disagree with some parts.

To encourage behavior I upvote, to discourage it, I downvote.

Downvoting only in theory are discouraging any kind of behaviour. Downvoted users most of the time do not even know why there were dovnvoted.

It's a bit like saying that we should promote behaviours by punishing people, instead of educating them and building awareness.

How to achieve that without explaining to user what he did wrong and giving him chance to learn (before being punished) - this method will never work. I've personally seen several accounts downvoted badly without word of explanation and without warning. That isn't right.

Instead of educating users (especially new ones) those with large stakes very often just downvote them for unknown crimes. More often than not forcing people to quit Steemit (amount of users giving up because of feeling targeted is growing every day).

People tell me, don't downvote that guy, he's an A, or don't upvote that gal, she's a B. Screw that, everyone gets held to the same standard.

Ok, so perhaps you can tell me what is "the same standard"? Perhaps all those people are right and you're wrong? Maybe you're not following standards? Why would you assume that what you do and how you think should be considered a norm? I would honestly like to understand.

Don't let them fool you, this whole 'downvotes are violence' narrative is complete bullshit.

Again, fully disagree with you. Steemit asset = users.

And downvotes that are discouraging users (especially new ones) to continue using Steemit are only bringing damage. Instead of bringing value.

Unfortunatelly it seem that many people on Steemit (especially large stakeholders like yourself) do not see users as an asset. Instead they value STEEM token more and this is an asset for them.

Yours, Piotr

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Downvoting only in theory are discouraging any kind of behaviour. Downvoted users most of the time do not even know why there were dovnvoted.

It's a bit like saying that we should promote behaviours by punishing people, instead of educating them and building awareness.

It's polite to inform users as to why it's happening, but how could you enforce that?

Ok, so perhaps you can tell me what is "the same standard"? Perhaps all those people are right and you're wrong? Maybe you're not following standards? Why would you assume that what you do and how you think should be considered a norm? I would honestly like to understand.

If they are MY standards, how could I be wrong? Holding a stake is about influencing the standards. If I wanted even more influence, I would buy or earn more stake. You don't have to like it, but that is how proof-of-stake works.

...And downvotes that are discouraging users (especially new ones) to continue using Steemit are only bringing damage. Instead of bringing value.

What is your proposal? Often I see people complaining about the concept of downvotes, but they don't offer solutions. Is your solution to remove downvotes and enforce centralized rules? That being the case, perhaps you just chose the wrong platform. I ask the same to of all of these people who cannot handle decentralized governance, the vast majority of which have been milking and abusing the system for a long time. Shitty users are in fact not an asset, they are a liability. As I said, the honest folks aren't crying about downvotes, only the ones trying to work an angle.

As long as you continue to view this endeavor through the lens of the existing centralized / authoritarian platforms, of course you are going to respond in such a way. It's all you know. Those who own the stake make the rules, that's the reality. I have more than most, but I'm still a small fish. If I wanted to have more influence, I'd buy more stake. As an entrepreneur, you could fund raise right now and buy 1 million steem for 130k, and have a lot more influence on how things are run. Be honest, how strong are your convictions?

Dear @joshman

Most of all: thank you for this amazing comment and I'm sorry for replying so late. I somehow skipped your comment :/

What is your proposal? Often I see people complaining about the concept of downvotes, but they don't offer solutions.

My solution is still the same:

  • punishment is short term solution. awareness and education matters. So whenever one is planning to downvote someone, then in the first place he should warn this user and only if abuse repeats - then downvote his content.

Obviously that would require so much more effort on part of downvoters. So it won't ever happen. However without educating people and letting them know what they did wrong - we will never achieve much.

Does it sound like I'm complaining about decentralized ruling style? Perhaps. But it's not true that honest users are not being punished without having any explanation given to them. It's happening very often and it's hard to believe that you never have seen downvote abusers in action.

I will still repeat one more time: Awareness is always the key. Punishment doesn't work in long term.

Yours
Piotr

It's me again @joshman

May I ask you for little favour? I'm not sure if I did ask you about it already or not (hope I'm not repeating myself).

Could you please check out also my recent post if you have few min and share your thoughts on questions related to concept of "introducing steem blockchain to businesses":
https://steemit.com/steemleo/@crypto.piotr/my-very-first-trip-to-switzerland-one-of-the-most-crypto-and-blockchain-friendly-place-on-the-planet-earth

Your feedback is always appreciated ;) And I will upvote most valuable comment with 100-200k SP coming from project.hope account.
Yours, Piotr