Hive at a Breaking Point A Chain Losing Its Builders Not Just Its Price

in LeoFinance24 days ago

Hive is not just falling in price. It is losing something far more difficult to recover. Trust. Builders. Informal institutions. And the people who quietly held the ecosystem together when the charts were flat and the hype was gone.

Over the past year we have watched Hive drift lower in valuation, but recently the cracks have widened. dCity has shut down. On chain rewards were cut in the last fork after witnesses failed to reach meaningful middle ground. Now one of the most important informal financial backbones of the ecosystem has stepped away entirely.

Neoxian is out of the loan business.
https://peakd.com/hive-177682/@neoxian/dear-hive-i-m-out-of-the-loan-business
That sentence alone should stop people in their tracks.

This was not a faceless protocol or an automated smart contract. This was a real person providing real liquidity to real users when banks and centralized platforms were not an option. In many cases the loans were not small. They were thousands of dollars. They helped people survive bear markets, bridge liquidity gaps, and keep projects alive.

And now it is over.

Not because it was unprofitable in theory, but because it was exhausting, risky, and ultimately unrewarding in an ecosystem that no longer protects or values that kind of contribution.

In his own words, Neoxian made it clear that Hive was never his main source of income. 99.99% of his money came from elsewhere. He did not need to do this. He chose to do it. And that distinction matters.

When someone with outside capital voluntarily supports an ecosystem, it is a sign of belief. When that person walks away, it is a signal that belief has been worn down.

He describes the loan business as tedious. Minimum wage level effort. Constant stress. Endless excuses. Default risk. Drama. Scams. And eventually a final straw involving outright abuse of trust.

This is not an isolated story. It is a symptom.

Hive has increasingly become an environment where the downside is socialized and the upside is fragmented. Builders absorb risk. Curators fight for shrinking rewards. Witnesses argue over emissions while real economic activity continues to dry up.

At the same time, token price continues to slide. Hive recently traded around nine cents. For long term holders this is not just a number on a screen. It directly affects governance weight, psychological confidence, and the perceived future of the chain.

Some are buying more. Accumulating. Powering up. Setting long term Hive Power goals like two hundred fifty thousand or more. That conviction deserves respect.

But accumulation alone does not build ecosystems.

What is missing right now is not belief from retail users. It is a coherent economic vision that makes participation worth the time, energy, and risk.

Dcity shutting down should have been a warning. It was a slow bleed rather than a sudden collapse. Fewer players. Less liquidity. Lower rewards. Eventually it no longer made sense to continue. This pattern is repeating across Hive in different forms.

Neoxian stepping away from lending is even more serious because it removes a critical informal institution. Hive does not have native credit markets. It does not have robust decentralized lending protocols with enforcement. What it had instead were trusted individuals filling the gap.

Once those individuals burn out, the gap does not magically close. It widens.

The comments under Neoxian’s announcement tell the real story. People are sad. Grateful. Understanding. Many admit they do not even need loans now, but still feel the loss. Others openly say those loans saved them in difficult moments.

That is not replaceable by a whitepaper or a fork parameter.

This raises an uncomfortable question that Hive needs to face honestly.

Is Hive still an ecosystem that rewards long term builders, or has it become an environment where only passive accumulation and short term extraction make sense?

Cutting rewards during a period of declining activity might reduce inflation, but it also reduces participation. It signals scarcity without growth. Discipline without opportunity.

Meanwhile HBD savings offer 15% APR with far less friction and far less human interaction. Even Neoxian himself acknowledges that parking funds there makes more sense than trusting random people in a weakening social layer.

That comparison should be alarming.

When passive yield beats active contribution in both risk and reward, the system is misaligned.

None of this means Hive is dead. Chains do not die quietly. They fade slowly through disengagement. Through fewer experiments. Through the departure of people who once carried invisible weight.

Hive still has strengths. Fast transactions. No fees. A real social layer. Deeply committed users. But strengths alone are not enough without economic gravity.

Right now Hive is losing gravity.

Builders are leaving. Services are closing. Informal banks are shutting down. Governance is fragmented. Price action reinforces the narrative rather than contradicting it.

The danger is not that Hive goes to zero. The danger is that it becomes irrelevant. A chain that still runs, still produces blocks, still posts content, but no longer inspires risk taking or innovation.

If Hive wants a different future, it cannot rely on hope or nostalgia. It needs to answer hard questions.

How are builders funded sustainably.
How is risk shared rather than concentrated.
How are bad actors deterred without burning out good ones.
How does governance align incentives instead of shrinking them.

Most importantly, how does Hive make it worth staying for the people who do not need Hive financially, but choose to support it anyway.

Because once those people are gone, no amount of accumulation posts or power up goals will bring them back.

Neoxian finishing his last four loans is not just a personal decision. It is a closing chapter in a period where trust substituted for infrastructure.

What comes next will define whether Hive evolves, or simply continues to drift.

This is not a panic moment. It is a clarity moment.

And Hive needs to decide what kind of chain it wants to be before more doors quietly close.

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I'll admit, the very low hive price just has me beat down. I'm not leaving, I'm not dumping, nothing like that, but I am asking myself "How can I reduce my work load?" I'm just tired of spending so much time and mental energy here. I'm not going to dump anything, I'm going down with this ship, but that's how it is for me right now. (I still like Splinterlands though, different topic.)

I too will go down with this ship!
Hive is what i want to make it. If not. So be it. It still is closer to the type of social media i seek.

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I appreciate you saying that openly.

That feeling of being beat down is real, and I think more people are there than want to admit. Staying while asking how to reduce workload is not weakness, it is survival. There is a difference between abandoning ship and conserving energy so you can last longer. I respect you sticking around while simplifying. That balance is hard to find. And I agree, Splinterlands feels like a different lane entirely. Thanks for being honest about where you are at. It helps normalize these conversations instead of pretending everything is fine.

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I care about Hive but I can say from entrenched experience that it is no longer builder friendly.

The corrosive mindset of using funds to pay for friends to maintain the status quo has continued to get worse. I still have hope it changes and I still build/maintain INLEO as the LEO ecosystem’s hive branch.

Outside of that, it’s really tough to build things here without having your own profit centers.

Even when you do that, it’s attacked. INLEO premium is one of the few successful means that any hive project has shown to monetize itself. Some from hive have tried to punish users for going premium. Why? I can only point to an anti-business mindset.

Not trash talking. Just saying that this must be fixed before hive can succeed. Builders don’t feel comfortable here anymore. Dcity is gone. Beeswap conversions are gone. Countless other projects have shuttered

What if something major leaves completely? Splinterlands. Hive engine. INLEO. What will happen if the big projects eventually leave? So far, we’re all surviving and building continuously but that can’t last forever in this anti-business environment. Meanwhile, Vaporware and maintenance is getting funded on the DHF and leaking economic value from Hive.

Hope this changes! I still believe it could.

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Can Hive Engine leave?

Yes, they have their own sidechain.
They use jsons written to hive, but have their own witnesses to verify things.

If you look at the bottom of beeswap you will see the h-e api node, clicking it brings up a voting window.

Yea that’s news to me. I mean I guess I don’t understand where they would leave to?

Either way I learned something today. Thanks for answering my question!

H-e was built with leaving in mind, because those that controlled things back then gave aggie the backs of their hands when he got here.
H-e could just as easy operate on any other low/no fee chain, afaik.
Leo seems to have made the jump, already.

Interesting. Well a lot of HE tokens provide yield by using the reward pool so that, at the least, would lead to a very strange turn of events.

Leo is calling h-e leo wrapped, so I figure they could do that with all of them if they changed chains.
I'm actually surprised that they haven't already.
Perhaps the other attempts, whaleshares, bearshares, blurt, a few lesser known others, serve as a warning to what lays ahead when you jump the hive ship?

Using the pool to give value to h-e tokens is bad, imo.
They are selling hive and buying their tokens.
Who is buying that hive?
Folks that already have game breaking amounts because they don't think we can come back from a nickel?

I'm hoping you can turn the page for us, but this book has prior chapters.
Most of the solutions have already been tried, albeit at a different time.
The crowd was much different, too.

We've needed new blood for a while now.

Using the pool to give value to h-e tokens is bad, imo.

I am not like super against it outside of the fact that HIVE is inflationary. So when HIVE goes down a lot of these tokens lose their dollar value too. Even if the HIVE APR is the same, the dollar value of the apr goes down too.

Very different than alts that are propped up by Bitcoin.

Who is buying that hive?

It looks like a lot of it is ending up on Binance.

I'm hoping you can turn the page for us, but this book has prior chapters.

I spoke somewhat to this in a prior post. Not shit I can do by myself. Talking on HIVE helps more than people realize though.

On the coming back from a nickel thing. That would depend on a lot of things. There does seem to be a relationship between HIVE price and what things get funded through DHF. Like less stuff is funded right now than when we were at a higher price. That is a good signal but not enough. There are lots of positive long term signals but lots of negative short term signals.

I think 5 cents in 2026 is most likely based on the current setup. But people tend to adapt so I am looking forward to being wrong if that happens. I just am not bullish on HIVE price right now.

Me wanting to buy HIVE because it has potential is based on a long-term view. Short term price action for HIVE, in its current state, is impossible to predict in my opinion.

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I slept on this and did have some questions if you have the time:

• What happens to the LEO NVIDA and LEO Telsa tokens if you leave?
• What happens to LEO NVIDA and LEO Telsa tokens if Hive Engine leaves?

I had no idea you or Hive Engine leaving was on the table.

You are aware of Leo’s history right?
If not look into Cub Finance (2021/2022)
They have failed tokens and items in past.
I expect same to happen to these obvious short term value grabs like the fake GLD & Tesla pegged “tokens”. These are single person totally controlled projects not decentralized crypto tokens. Buyer beware.
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I expect same to happen

I think looking to the past to make predictions about the future can be reasonable. History does not always tell us what will happen but it is good to consider it.

I have never bought any of their products so I would not be a good person to speak to their history.

Thanks for sharing!

Especially if it’s regarding Leo, nothing has changed. Most people just use it for the big Leo votes. The paid subscription I mean, it’s literally vote buying/selling. I’m disgusted by Leo and the so called tokens released will definitely not end well. Leo is anti everything crypto stands for. Also I don’t understand how those who believe selling votes is wrong and should be punished can support it. Just my opinion I guess. Cheers!
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Also I don’t understand how those who believe selling votes is wrong and should be punished can support it.

I don't know either... Money talks? 🤷‍♂

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 19 days ago Reveal Comment

Governance in a blockchain project determines the long-term survival and sustainable development of the entire ecosystem. If governance is neglected or becomes overly bureaucratic, it will turn into a barrier, slowing down development progress and distracting from the core mission of building useful technology for users.

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To be honest, I have no idea why I am accumulating Hive.
Almost 10 years to this chain and more than 5 years of fork, still unfinished product, no official layer 2, and DHF fund distribution does not look transparent.

!PIZZA

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We need to unite around a direction we want the chain to go. I see large division and polarization on Hive.

Where do we see us in 5 year?
How do we get there?
Divide that into small tasks we can work with everyday.

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The community has always been my main draw as well as a storage vessel for such thing as my 'ship log'. For me the the disastrous fork revealed the broken governance of the DPoS "experiment"; to quote Dan.

The disaster was not the creation of Justin Sun but the greed first exposed by the ninja mining and later by the witness cabal that preferred ripping a community asunder rather than loose control of their money printer. In hindsight their wish seemed a short sighted one.

Did you see this:
https://dhenz14.github.io/archive/
https://peakd.com/hive-181335/@theycallmedan/ostakbzx

You can archive things with it, I use an altaccount.
@anti-archive

Thanks for the links!

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BTW around HF28 I have seen some talk about lowering HBD rewards...

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50 million market cap is extremely low and 15% on HBD makes no sense when the rhetoric was to "make it attractive". It is not attracting anyone and I have been saying that ever since I was a witness and it was 20%. I lost votes for supporting lowering the HBD rewards and that broke me inside because people cared about the promise (of attracting users) more than the results (HIVE is not attractive enough).

We need to stop trying to pay people to come here.

I think the 20% apr was about attracting people to use it and it was a good idea.

But now people use it and expect an APR that is high. 15% is now historically low which is insane!

We would be lucky to get it 10% and anything below that seems like a pipe dream.

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And you know what is worse? What brings income to HIVE? Who finances all the projects of the DHF? Who finances the curation? Investors.

There are no ads, there are no fees, there is no subscription, there are no costs, there is no business model attractive to drive value up.

The whole valuation of 50 million USD comes from people that bought HIVE because they speculated that it will go up and/or want more influence over the network by voting and doing more with their HP and/or want more curation, staking or witnessing rewards.

But the cold hard and IMO scary fact is that to finance it all we need people actually buying HIVE for themselves. I would be ok with ads that buy and burn HIVE and I would be ok with some subscriptions that buy and burn a portion of HIVE if that means a business model that drives value rather than depending 100% on investors.

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Bad stewards love power and will do everything they can to maintain their position. People here need to have a wider vision of governance and finance. The blockchain was made to supercede/replace centralized systems and we can only seem to find time for talking about how many tokens we are farming for profits lol totally missed the mark here. The most progressive movement in the space is suffering from serious abuse right now where leaders are likely tied to some form of fraud to farm more tokens for profit lol. wonder on what i could be talking about? every project is going to suffer from this... profit seeking and community building are the same? we need to be talking about decentralization again... what makes a project decentralized? why is it necessary for us to talk about decentralization? we need to address what enables corruption in a system that is supposed to remove it and enable transparency for actual audit

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Update: @chronocrypto, I paid out 1.515 HIVE and 0.139 HBD to reward 2 comments in this discussion thread.

I'm with you. I usually avoid on interacting with bigger accounts, but I had to comment on his post. It is sad that this service goes offline, as I used it before, with high collateral, and it functioned well on both ends. With the 5k HBD, I managed to buy the Zaku for Splinterlands.

And yes, I agree with you, stake is not everything, we need builders.

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