Tron Foundation Will Likely Try And Eliminate The Competition

in LeoFinance4 years ago

Threespeak put together a nice post welcoming users from Tron and offering them free accounts to get started on Steem. While the nature of the message was generous, it appears that it might not be reciprocated by the Tron Foundation.

In the comment section, @drakos posted a link to a very enlightening article.

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This article details the efforts of a team that was looking to move their project from Ethereum to Tron. This is a sensible move on the surface yet it did not work out well for them. In fact, it appears they were sabotaged for their efforts.

The Tron Foundation was, at first, open to assisting them. Then, as time passed, they were ghosted by the foundation, including having their token "disappear" completely from the Tron ecosystem.

At the root of this change in behavior, was the fact that the Tron Foundation acquired Bittorrent.

Tron Foundation would single out our project as competition to BitTorrent Token (BTT) and go on to erase our presence from the Tron blockchain.

https://medium.com/popnetwork/banned-from-the-blockchain-an-ethereum-developers-tale-of-migrating-to-tron-248a0d215c92

The story is a worthy read because it details the experience of one group of developers with Tron. In the article, there is this tidbit:

Right on cue, Tron announced the $1,000,000 dApp Developer Contest to “…continue fostering innovations in the blockchain industry (and) empower developers and start-ups to develop Dapps based on TRON protocol.”

Sound familiar?

The Tron Foundation owns Bittorrent, Steemit Inc (Steemit.com), and Dlive. These are applications that the foundation has a vested interest in. Thus, any other applications that join the ecosystem which are similar can be viewed as competition.

@threespeak is obviously a competitor for Dlive. This is what makes it so interesting. An application like that, along with @steempeak and the tribes, could run into similar issues. Both these projects are very open about their dedication to Steem yet how many others would think of switching?

Sun stated that he wanted to bring Steem DApps over to Tron. Why would he want to do that when there are over 700 DApps already on there? They are far ahead of Steem in that regard and you would think the developers there could create some terrific stuff.

The reason is nobody is really using the DApps. Steem, on the other hand, has activity.

A challenge with all of this is that, if an application does switch, it could face the same peril. Presently, there might be nothing that the Foundation owes that rivals a particular application. But what about the future? What happens if an Actifit makes the move and then Sun buys a decentralized fitness application? Do you think there would be similar treatment as in the article?

Obviously, this is all speculation and based upon the experience of a small group of people. Perhaps the article is 100% genuine. Or maybe there is some type of personal vendetta? I have no way of knowing. Nevertheless, this is something to think about.

When a blockchain Foundation owns applications, it is easy to see how it can be a problem. This takes on more importance when the chain is struggling with activity. Steemit.com, in theory, was competing against the other front ends. However, as we noticed, Steemit Inc did not view that as a negative. The key for them was growth.

The Tron Foundation does not appear to have the same perspective.

Good money was paid for the entities it now owns and a return is going to be sought. This does, however, raise other issues about decentralization and the control that is wielded over everything on that chain.

Food for thought.


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Tron sometimes looks like a crypto cancer :/

Sometimes?

I'm trying to be polite to our owner!

It seems like Pewdiepie could care less about dlive, he's only on there because of the sponsorship it seems to me. Not that i watch him religiously. I just check his blog occasionally b/c my kid watches him. Dlive left such a bad taste in my mouth after what they pulled here on steem. One thing is for sure - these are exciting and highly speculative times.

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I am sure that his motivation is the carrot they are paying him. He could really care less about Tron or Dlive.

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As a person in the DLive community, that is 100% true about Pew.

Streaming on DLive has done little to retain users on there.

Thanks for the information about Dlive @ericwilson.

That is very interesting to know albeit not surprising.

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Tron foundation, Justin and Binance own TRON and im not using "OWN" in service of fuding. Thats a fact. What "goes" on TRON is completely determined by them.

If any dapp comes even close to threatening Dlive and their golden goose Pewdiepie (he is back after 30 days of hiatus.) that dapp will be wiped out. If it starts taking away users, it will be wiped out. There is no doubt about that.

And it very well might happen. If Dlive doesnt adopt Steem (gets Steemit.inc delegation) again, and starts rewarding creators via Steem, and @threespeak introduces livestreaming and rewards creators with their stake, Dlive has 0 chance to come up on top with their shit token-economy.
Now put @dtube in that story as well...

Tron is as centralized of a blockchain as it gets and only the "chosen" projects will be allowed to survive.
Now, that being said, if the Steem based dapps can get some money out of integrating with TRON as well, i think they should do it.
We all know #TRON is trash compared to STEEM, the dapp devs know it, the community knows it, even Justin knows it, but they have more money then us.

Why not take advantage of that while maintaining also on Steem?

I agree with you @lordbutterly.

There is a lot that can be done at the application level to totally alter the course of things. With the applications that are here now, we have the ability to see upgrades that can far surpass what is taking place on Tron. There is no shortcut to development other than buying. Hence, if 3speak, to use your example, starts to integrate more features that totally usurp Dlive, then it will be no contest.

The key is to keep doing everything we can to push the entire platform forward. With each step, we put ourselves in stronger position.

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I'm not that technically minded and sometimes get lost in all the tech-talk but I have ZERO doubt that Justin Sun would kill Steemit (and STEEM price if he can) in an instant if it would benefit his business.

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Do Btitorrent and dlive depend on the Tron blockchain? I use the Bittorrent protocol to download stuff, but don't know much about the company behind it. What popular dapps actually run on Tron? Not much on State of the Dapps. Looks like gambling stuff on Dapp Radar. Do they have a blogging platform? 3speak may be in competition with dlive, but does it target the same audience? Justin could muscle people off Steem, but that would make it unattractive for others to make use of it. I hope it doesn't go that way.

We cannot be very certain with how Justin seeks to rip steem. However, I see it that Justin is seeing "GOLD" in steem that some users here are not. He wants to dig into this tech and add to the value of what TRon already gives him.

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We do need a leader with some drive. I think people just worry that the spirit of Steem will get lost if he tries to merge it into Tron. We have something special here.

That's what we all think. Steem is unique in every way.

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DLive runs on Lino, after April 15th Lino will no longer be supported. From my undertstanding, it will then run on Tron and will include the BTT token (a tron token that is/will? be used on bittorrent) as well as DLive's native stablecoin named Lemons.

Migrating anything to a new blockchain can be problematic. You can only do that when you have full control and there is potential to knock people off. Anyway, I would hope that people across the various Tron services can work together to build something and I hope that can include an element of Steem. We know it works.

Yeah, Dlive is centralized, so it's easy for them to shut off their block producers and move over to Tron. I imagine Justin Sun expected to do the same with Steem, but surprise, this thing is actually decentralized so you can't do it so easily.

I am not sure where the conversion stands @steevc. What I do know, based upon that article, is that another torrent site was not welcomed on Tron since it now owns its own.

As for the DApps, there is little activity outside of gambling from what I can see. That is why Sun, in my opinion, went after Steemit. He wants to users that are on that front end.

Hopefully, if he pushes things, people will migrate away from it quickly.

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I saw someone suggest that he do his blog posts on Steem rather than Medium and he seemed interested. We need more reasons for people to come to Steem and if we can keep building it up then it's harder to justify trying to kill it.

It would be a good start. We will see what he does to engage the community, if anything.

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Tronics.community is their forum.
It looks new and has less than 20 posts.

I see a load of Tron communities on Steem, but not many in any of them yet. Just getting a few hundred of them active here would be cool.

I saw '20m users', somewhere.
That forum could be taken over with less than 20 of us.

This is definitely a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Steemit is not exactly decentralized and open about it's dodgy business practices. Read here: https://medium.com/chain-cloud-company-blog/platforms-pt-2-there-is-no-free-money-on-steemit-and-golos-40152d418723 and kinda wake up.

If you are going to post an article, you might want to opt for one that has relevant facts.

STEEM — diluted each year by approx 100%
Steem Power (SP) — vested for 2 years, diluted each year by approx 10%

This is now incorrect.

Plus, Steemit is not Steem. The platform is much more decentralized than most that are out there with the token distribution and with the front ends people are using.

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Steemit is a company, how could it be decentralized?

Hi @okean123

I've noticed that that we're both playing Holybread. What's your impression so far?

I play as @project.hope and so far I found this game quite entertaining. Perhaps it will get boring soon, but right now it's still loads of fun :)

Yours,
Piotr

I also find it very entertaining. It is a good game and I am stoked to see what updates they are going to bring out. They are going to incorporate breadcrumbs into the game which is exciting.

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It's me again @taskmaster4450le

I just realized that I never actually thanked you for your comment. Big thx.

ps.
I would need to ask you for little favour. Recently I've decided to join small contest called "Community of the week" and I desribed our project.hope hive/community. Would you mind helping me out and RESTEEM this post - just to get some extra exposure? Your valuable comment would be also appreciated.

Link to my post: on steemit or on steempeak

Thanks :)
Yours, Piotr

Steemit is a company and owned by a centralized entity... Sun.

Steem is a blockchain and is not centralized. It has many arms, legs, fingers, eyes, etc.


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He responded to @nivok who complained how Steemit isn't decentralized. ;)

Ha. LOL at me.

I think it's you who needs to wake up. Have you been on Steem at all? Ned's and in association Steemit Inc's antics have always given the community a headache. It's only in the last year where Steemit Inc has turned around. Nobody here is an illusioned fanboy of Steemit Inc.

We all know the problems and are working towards solutions, but that article is pretty dated and doesn't really hold up anymore. It's full of false information and problems that have already been addressed.

i was impressed with Isaac Asimov's vision of technology in 40's and 50's but now i am really impressed with Karl Marx's vision of social networks in 1860.

you should read facts before you write idiotic shit.

Be specific, what did I say that was idiotic? And what criticism of TRON in the above article does not apply equally to STEEM and it's associated companies?

Indeed, the best thing like some projects have done is for us to brainstorm and look forward to a profitable integration with Tron. This requires deep research and analysis.

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I find the launch of communities at a very convenient time. Distract and disperse steemians to forget about the takeover.
Coincidence?

I have noticed a lot of new features that makes steemit more usable. Made me use it for a few days instead of the alternate sites. So yes, they may be trying to get more of us back before a takeover. Time for our witnesses to implement a fork where we can only vote for 5-10 witnesses.


Posted via Marlians.com

We must remember that Sun is a businessman, while many of the people currently on the STEEM Blocchain are heart moved and dreamers.

Sun is motivated by money, he puts money behind a project, and then owns it and its wealth.

Most of us here are here because we care about building a castle. That is why we were ok with staying when steem dipped to 0.10-0.12USD. We were here plugging away even though we were not making any $$ because we loved the idea of what we were building.

Sun doesn't have heart and emotions in this blockchain he has $$$ in his eyes.

So yes, he will ghost applications if he thinks he can make more money with others. Why would't he?


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You forget to mention that steemit.inc was selling millions of steem for us to plugging away. Now even that money is gone. We're broke. Just face it.

I did not forget that, I just didn't think it was relevant in this equation. Sun wasn't the one in charge with that steem was being sold.

Also, that money is not "gone" that steem was bought by someone and the steem is now in their hands.

If anything, it helped with decentralization. Unless of course, Sun was aquiring it this whole time without us knowing and owns even more than we think.

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