How far do you think ahead financially...?

in LeoFinance2 years ago

It's been a very long time since I lived hand to mouth, although even when I did back in my student and dole days I don't think I ever thought of it as 'hand to mouth', I never really worried about it!

But these days, even though I'm much better off, pretty comfortable financially TBF, I think a lot more about money than I did back then.

I don't worry about money, I think I like thinking about it because I'm doing O.K. - In the same sort of way that we gravitate towards doing activities we are good at and people we like!

But I got to wondering is my attitude towards my day-to-day or really year-year consumer expenditure normal...?

I'm not talking about wealth here, although in terms of wealth I thinK VERY long term, in decades and whole-life terms, what I'm thinking about here is my consumer-related expenditure - how far ahead I think about in terms of my regular monthly and yearly outgoings.

Or to put it bluntly, how much money I like to keep liquid in order to pay bills I know are coming up, or to buy big-ticket items that need replacing every few years or so.

A 6 month buffer!

That's how much I like to have, how much I don't count towards my wealth - Enough money to pay for ALL my necessary outgoings: food, bills, mortgage, and a few beers for six months IF my income suddenly went to £0.

I think that's pretty decent, although I'd prefer a year! But six months will do, that gives me a reasonable time frame to get some income coming in from other sources without panicking!

And further buffers....

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I also like to have the following in place ON TOP of the above, thinking around a year ahead...

  • £3-5000 - to cover the next bi-annual instillment of my income tax and NI bill. I do pay a monthly amount in too, to high interest savings account, but I like to have a buffer in place in case too. This protects me against a fairly significant income reduction for 6 months.
  • £1000 just sitting in my main bank account, just in case my income payments are delayed this covers all my direct debits for the first half a month.
  • £1500 in my secondary bank accounts - I actually just bounce this around, I get a decent 5% interest rate on each, but need to pay in £1500 to get the rate, so it just bounces back and forward, but I don't really even think about this as being buffer, it's just there, bouncing!
  • £1000 - for next year's car insurance and MOT - I know I need one new set of brakes and tyres next year, so £1K is what I need, I like to have that in place a year or so in advance. Even though I've just MOTd and insured the car I still like to have next year's sitting there ready!
  • £2000 - For large expenditure consumer items - electric shower (apparently they only last 3-5 years, this is due!), washing machine, fridge etc. etc. £2K maybe OTT but I know these things will all need replacing probably before 2030, so they're covered.
  • £1000 - for my next MacBook - my current one is five years old, and it's going FINE! but I have the money kicking around for my next one too - the battery is probably going to be the thing that prompts my next purchase, that and I know the new version can be charged via USB which I like the idea of!
  • That's a total of a £10.5K buffer on top of the £10K 6 month emergency fund.

So that's £20K

On top of that I've also got some Premium Bonds that I'm irrationally attached to. I kind of like them and don't really think of them as wealth or a buffer, maybe need to sort that out in my head!

How did it come to this...?

Yowzer!

I've never actually worked this out before and TBH I'm a bit shocked, that sounds like A LOT of readies kicking about just for me to feel financially comfortable!

Or is it a lot..? Maybe not, maybe it's just realistic, and when I'm getting a 5% return on just holding cash ATM, I think this is maybe a reasonable amount of money to have kicking about.

It also makes me realised that I've got a bit sucked into the system as I've gotten older, I think I need to have a sit-down and a talk with myself about repurposing my off-grid project - if I was living in the woods in a yurt washing my clothes by hand and travelling by bicycle, well, I could reduce that buffer by around 70% straight off the bat!

So for now, it's all fine, but I think there's some work to be done over the next decade working this down!

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What’s an electric shower ?

Sounds like a torture device. 😄

Brilliant!

It's just one where the heating coil is heated by electricity.

For the next MacBook, do you do anything that can be classified as teaching? Apple gives a decent discount to teachers. I use that when I upgrade every few years (few is about 7-10 for me lol). Recently I see if you have an apple card they give the option of 12 no interest payments on a MacBook. I don't know if that is only in America or only for Americans. I am an American with an Apple card in Japan and it seemed to work for me when I bought the airpods a few months ago (they didn't give me the teacher discount for the airpods. bastards). Haven't tried it for a bigger purchase yet.

Ah yes I do, I'll check it out, cheer!

After a long time, I see people in Europw deposit money into banks to get interest payout.

It's certainly appealing to me now! Good rates.

I was reading somewhere that 18-24 months expenses is a good buffer to have as an emergency fund in retirement. I guess that works out about the same as your buffer plus all the other piggy banks you're putting aside.

I wonder how many people have that much money?!? 15% maybe?

I make sure I never have cash and keep it slightly negative using zero percent cards to defer expenses for free for 12_21 mths plus a cash back bonus I just invest all and hedge as well as let inflation eat up my int rate I pay making it positive real terms. Debt against Inc producing prop can be great. Put 30% Apts pay no taxes as long as u keep re investing 30 to 40% the pals offset any sales making it shielded forever possibly

20K is a lot! I'm afraid to calculate my yearly expenses... lol... But, I would encourage your off-grid idea as I've been thinking about the same for some time... It's a ridiculously huge amount for "just living" as you didn't list anything luxurious...

Living in the woods, with fresh air, and fresh vegetables from the garden sounds much more appealing than spending money and living unhealthier in the city...

I agree with your opinion about getting older we get more stuck in the "system" even if we are against it and aware of it...

It is an insane amount, I think I'm looking at off-grid ish.....

Once you've killed rent and mortgage the amount drops by a third.

Vehicle is the second most expensive thing, which i think one needs more living off grid, so that's always gonna be there.

Then in terms of energy and water - the costs of being gridded aren't too bad given the convenience!

Same goes for food. It's relatively cheap to buy compared to the time involved of growing your own.

Of course aesthetically providing yer own energy and food really is much more appealing!

Main problem with going off grid in the UK is just the sheer cost of land... One isn't going to get change out of £100K for say 5 acres of woodland which is really the minimum you need for some basic privacy, and then you'd probably need a 4 wheel drive which are astronomically expensive! You'd want to spend £!5K on a second hand one minimum I think to make sure it'll last you a decade and isn't a total lemon.

Off-grid ish in suburbia with a medium sized garden is probably cheaper overall! And there's more people about, which ATM I kind of like!

Main problem with going off grid in the UK is just the sheer cost of land... One isn't going to get change out of £100K for say 5 acres of woodland which is really the minimum you need for some basic privacy, and then you'd probably need a 4 wheel drive which are astronomically expensive! You'd want to spend £!5K on a second hand one minimum I think to make sure it'll last you a decade and isn't a total lemon.

Now I fully understand why Brits are coming to live in Spain and Portugal... I was checking prices in Portugal, they are ridiculously low even compared to Spain! And you got a piece of the forest, a small river crossing your property, and a house... Okay, the house is usually a ruin, but still... the prices that I saw were insanely low... Plus, I suppose that the climate is much better here than in the UK :)

Btw. was watching the UK show "Brits in the sun" and you can get some useful info about prices and different regions... :)

Mine were bad 2 years ago like 250k lol

Everyone ought to have a financial buffer, but some just can't keep up with expenses. I consider myself pretty fortunate. We've been lucky when it comes to property and family have helped out when we needed it.

We bought a load of Premium Bonds recently and they are doing pretty well. I had a very few since I was a kid and never won on them. I used to be in some lottery syndicates, but haven't played that in years.

We bought a load of Premium Bonds recently and they are doing pretty well

That might explain why I didn't win last month!

But when I do it's funny that I now get a sense of disappointment if it's only £25 I win!

I imagine a lot of people have had their buffers wiped out over the last couple of years, it sucks playing catch up, we've also got Hive of course, that's a massive buffer for both of us if the worst comes to the worse! Horrible to think of cashing the whole lot out, but it is a potential resource!

I hadn't actually thought of cashing out of Hive, but I suppose that's an option!

Last resort!

I'm glad that you are financially stable. That's a good thing to know. Well, I'm at that stage in my life fighting so hard to make sure that I'm not in poverty

Your plan looks sound. I tend to think along "Moses lines", you know, seven fat cows, seven skinny cows. It seems to be the way my life has played over the last 50 odd yrs. There are periods of scarcity and periods of good fortune, and I've been through a couple of cycles, prepare for the former while living through the latter and aim to achieve escape velocity at some point. Oh!, and enjoy both equally.

Great read, loving your content

Sounds like a sound philosophy to me, Hive is a great place to fatten those cows.

Cheers!

BEER