Are we losing active users?

in #active12 days ago

Had a few interesting conversations with a few hivers today.

The discussion came up that we're "bleeding" users or that we're not maintaining population replacement rate, which I assumed means we're losing more active users than new active ones joining. I just noticed a new one who had joined and commented on a post of mine, now if they're really new or just on a new account is anyone's guess. :P That's one of the tricky things about Hive, maybe I'm talking to the same person in my comment section even though there's 20 unique usernames at times.

Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if we may be losing users. Hive is kind of unique in many ways and many are motivated by the earnings rather than the Hive they earn. What I mean is that they mainly care about the value amount rather than how much stake they can build before inflation drops and it gets harder to earn it the same way they may earn it now.

I'd be lying if I said these prices don't weigh on you, not that I'm really in a rush to sell hive for fiat or to buy shiny things, but I could definitely use more value to continue building one of my projects which requires it. For a long time now I've been at a place where I've felt the price of hive is too low to lock it up in my projects as everything that matters there is fiat value, because naturally people working on it (although maybe not all) aren't really looking for a long term investment and happy to receive 60% less value because Hive might 3x from here in the near future. It'd be delusional to expect that, similar like how people with active proposals aren't expecting to get 3x less pay just becase hive dipped from 30 cents to 9.

To get back on topic, yes we might lose some users here and there but it's important that we keep new users joining, because one thing that many forget is that, while account creation is kind of a barrier and a hassle at times, it leads to making sure those users store their keys and "have them" (at least most of them who are careful and thoughtful enough). This means that they can come back whenever they feel like or if Hive lures them back somehow in the future, either through word of mouth - the same way they may have been onboarded - or because Hive is in the news or doing well in terms of price action or a new shiny dapp appeared that got them to come back through other paths.

I don't remember who posted about this, but way back when the former name of Hive did well and there was a long queue waiting for a free account from the company that shall also not be named, there were some stats posted about returning users. They weren't numbers to joke with, either. You could also notice it in terms of engagement as I was posting the way I may be doing now, more often, you'd see familiar usernames you hadn't seen in a while pop up in your comment section and you'd welcome them with a response, vote on the comment or a quick checkup on their active posts. It was funny how most of them did the whole "I need to come up with an excuse as to why I was gone up until now that the price pumped".

I figure there's going to be a lot of these "temporary" users who only show up when things are going great then sneak back into the ether during times like these. It also makes me think way back when I was one of the few interested in crypto and Bitcoin pumped to $1000-1100k for the first time. So many people left the scene as it dwindled back to $200 or so, some clever ones returned at that price point and bought back in but I can tell you a majority didn't. It's kind of the same here, I've seen a few people come back and buy back hive and stake it for the long term with a lot of people staying active and keep building and stacking, while many others, or should I say a majority, you won't see until things turn around.

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There's also people who may be forced to sell now or think hive may drop lower back into the haircut ratio so they're hoping to double or at least increase the total amount of hive they have by selling now - I personally wouldn't risk it - but that's understandable too. Many who just may be forced to sell due to economic reasons, knowing a large portion of our active userbase is from developing nations it's not difficult to understand that some can't keep holding hive even if they wanted to and are starting to realize, at least maybe after the recent hardfork, that hive isn't coming back as easily as it used to. Inflation is slowly dropping.

Naturally, those who will mainly benefit from this are those who know when to sell - I'm not one of them, unfortunately, maybe cause I'm too married to Hive and wish the sky for it rather than taking some profit here and there for darker times, I just keep hoping the day will come when we go up and then stay there to give projects and stakeholders some breathing room and time to shine. The other ones who will benefit are those who hold and have the means to buy more here and put it to good use - i.e. staking and curating so they dilute the traders who only keep liquid hive on exchanges. Now this is only possible of course if you believe hive is going to do well long term.

Of course there's other things as well, even though you may believe Hive will do well, you may think that it's not going to do as well as some other coins or that when it starts doing well you're here and aware with your finger on the pulse to be able to get back into it before it's too late and it takes off.

We still have long ways to go, as Vitalik tweeted recently, most other chains it's all just defi trading/investing and gambling, very little real utility and unique usecases that set web2 and web3 apart are to be found there. Something Hive definitely doesn't lack but could come up with new things. Inflation is set to keep being reduced every 250k blocks or ~9 days by 0.01% until it reaches 0.95% in 10 years or so. I do wonder all the things how we'll be using the rewards pool by then and how much of the daily voting power will be used for shitposts like these or short form content compared to all the other things we may have come up by then that the community deems acceptable to be used. Also how much harder it may be to earn hive by then, not just cause inflation is on the low side but also cause there will hopefully be a lot more users competing for votes.

My own personal goal is to have a few projects I believe will continue to live long and prosper and at the same time be a net positive for the ecosystem and hopefully I'll be able to get to my hive goals in time before the next decade to enjoy some nice passive rewards I can hand over to future generations of shitposters.

Have you noticed any active users go missing lately?

Why do you think they're gone?

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Are we losing active users?

It took about 8 hours lol. I wanted to make a chart to see if we are indeed losing users. I was also very curious to see how price movements affected how many active users we have. (Turns out a lot! To be expected, honestly...)

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I made a post about it with some insights and explanations

https://peakd.com/hive-148441/@cryptosharon/interactive-historic-weekly-active-users-since-2016-until-today-static

Here's the chart:

https://hive-stats-sable.vercel.app/

Long story short, though... yeah, we have fewer users than when the price was similarly low around 2019.

This chart is actually super helpful. It gives concrete proof to the argument I've been trying to make: the rewards garnered on this platform will always be tied to the level of active users and the level of quality of their posts on average.

I think the sooner we Hive denizens accept this and begin to take it into consideration going forward, the better.

Exactly. It’s a fundamental issue of incentive alignment. While a dedicated core will always contribute out of passion, mass adoption requires mass incentives,which are currently lacking. Many will say "don't think about earnings, do it for the sake of it", but that mindset doesn't scale. Ultimately, price action, ease of use, and platform perception are what actually bring people through the door, encouraging long-term holding and active participation.

Hear hear and well said!

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Nice will check it out

Looks like Hive is winning

Explain

cheap token goes to zero, No fun or interesting Content is exactly what i love about it.

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I relate to a lot of this. Lately the frustration for me goes beyond price action. There is a growing feeling that Hive is less decentralized in practice than it is in theory. A lot of meaningful decisions still seem to be shaped by a very small number of large stakeholders. Even sitting at orca level, I often feel pretty powerless, which makes me wonder how dolphins or smaller accounts experience this system day to day.

That erosion of agency matters. It changes how invested people feel, especially when prices are down and the narrative of “build now, it pays off later” or when you join hive you are now a CEO… it all stops feeling credible.

I keep coming back to the idea that maybe Hive does not need to be for everyone. It seems we have been telling the same story for years and expecting a different outcome. What I would love to see is a small group of people who genuinely still care about HIVE get together and rethink how Hive is presented to the wider world. Less hype and trying to appeal to the masses. More leaning into the misfit side of Hive. Trying to find the people who are tired of main stream platforms and going for folks that care about owning their digital footprint and like building and being part of the weird corners of the internet.

If we keep repeating the same patterns, we should not be surprised if we keep shedding users. Breaking that cycle likely means embracing that Hive is niche, renegade, and not polite or tidy. That might be exactly what the next generation of Hiveans is looking for.
But what the fuck do I know. It’s just how i feel currently

"There is a growing feeling that Hive is less decentralized..."

It is less decentralized. HF28 increased centralization, again.

"Trying to find the people who are tired of main stream platforms..."

Hive has advertised censorship resistance, and legacy platforms are becoming more censorious. TikTok is collapsing as it's users flee the new ownership and new censorship policies. None of those users is coming to Hive because Hive has long been more censorious that all the mainstream platforms. This is by design, because it centralizes stake, and that is the overriding interest of the oligarchy presently possessing a bare majority of stake that allows it to govern the platform by choosing the witnesses.

The bait and switch regarding censorship became well understood back in 2017, and there is essentially no market that isn't aware of it, so few undertake to onboard Hive.

This is why Hive is not growing, and why Hive will not grow until and unless that governance changes it's policies.

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Mm. Yeah, I feel you. The climb, even in these early days, feels pretty impossible. Part of the problem is, the whole "spend your time now and have faith" paradigm only works if you assume people have the basics of life taken care of.

Most people want to make enough to have a roof over their heads, food in their bellies, and the occasional treat. Until Hive can offer the masses this, it's not going to be a catching proposition.

Expecting newcomers to have faith in something that may or may not pay off ten years from now isn't exactly reasonable. Basically, unless you have a ton of money or talents specifically relevant to the platform (development), yeah, it's harder to make a small amount to sustain off of, let alone to save up.

I think telling people who are interested in the platform but are just barely getting by (that's most people at this point) might be turned off by "hey, just save up".

This might be part of the reason why Hive seems to be doing very well in non-western countries. The power of Hive to actually sustain these individuals and allow them to save is much, much higher.

Anyway, those are just my two cents.

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Yeah...come, its a special place here at the Lake.

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@ahmedhayat @tahastories1 and many others left hive

But it's probably because they were in Islamabad university studying BS in English. After there university ended, 90% of them gone idle. I think they were motivating eachother and after their physical connection ended, they lost interest in hive. From Pakistan, it's mostly scammers coming from steemit. A handful of known legit Pakistanis left.

Also, @ayesha-malik left after her marriage. She got busy in new life.
@amberkashif is also no where to be seen. But atleast both of them have enough stake and they will come back in future.

I lost 100s of close hive friends in this bear. Pravesh0 might also felt demotivated as he is unstaking and not posting.

In bdcommunity, I had many friends from Bangladesh. Most of them left hive completely by doing a full power down.

Now I am dearly waiting for Magi to come and make hive more interesting.

It has been nearly 9 months I haven't published a word despite thinking of it several times. My health wasn't good. Still, I am not doing well. I have been blessed with a baby boy, so another huge responsibility has added to life.

Yeah, the price drop of hive is disappointing but thst is not the reason of my disappearance. Ny stakes are here, and I have no plans to pull them.

Thanks for remembering old fellas @dlmmqb

I remember all these friends you tagged here, nice folks to engage with, especially Pravesh. He doesn't show up even on discord too. There are many more I haven't been seeing around too. I just hope one day they'd find their way back here.

I have missed you all as well. I will be more active in the coming days. Don't worry, I won't leave Hive unless I am dead or Hive is dead, whichever comes first. lol

!LUV

Oh, nice to read from you. We can't wait to see you again, especially on PYPT. And you know, there's so much fun on Dreemport now, rather Dreemworld. 😂
!LOLZ
!BBH

Dreemworld sounds fun. I will try to join next week on PYPT.

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Sorry to butt in, but what are these exclamation point all caps words at the bottoms of messages. It's been a while since I've been active on the platform and I'm trying to gather my bearings, again.

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I am not going to leave Hive, might never. The past month has been very tough for me mentally and financially. But I am not going anywhere. I had to liquidate some of my HP, one of the worst times to do it, but emergencies don't come at the right time.

When it rains, it pours.

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Why do you think they're gone?

The reason is very simple, and it applies to all Web3 social networks. People are mainly drawn in by the idea of making money, and I think that’s fundamentally wrong. Socialization should come first — people should want to spend time online, make friends, and be part of a community. Constantly promoting earnings as the main feature won’t build a network that can truly scale. (Just my opinion.)

I fully agree. I stay around because there's cool people here(and most of them don't care about the earning part, just a bonus). It's social media first and the crypto thing is just on the side.

The utility of Hive is also bigger than just the earnings, most people doesn't get sentimental about crypto it's just a way to make money for them, Hive may be a way to earn money but also it's a nice platform to get info, to learn about crypto, to exchange assets...

I learned about crypto through Hive so that's more important to me than just the economic part.

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You're right about that. I've seen this in 8 years that's I've been here. They come, look at the post in trending and expect to get the same results in two weeks. When that doesn't happen, they leave, move on to another platform, doing the same. Many think web3 is posting some sh*t and then banking the money. Short sighted lunatics.

And then they shout everywhere that it's a scam )))

Yeah, blaming others is what they do.

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I believe that many of those who have left in recent months are for your reasons, many like @dlmmqb message are for other reasons outside the blockchain but the important thing is to have staking, if you unstake you want to abandon what you love, and that perhaps you don't love enough, especially if you do it now, you think there is no future and this shows that you don't believe in the power of this blockchain, I discovered it thanks to @libertycrypto27 when it was still Steemit I was little, 15 years old and I didn't get in there, I got in the following year with HIVE and it was the best choice of my life, those who leave now are only a positive thing, only those who believe in it remain and we can relate and create a community as we like and as you said!

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!PIZZA

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I disagree with this. The main motivator for most forms of concrete effort is money itself. We see this with all platforms that scaled, everything from Roblox to Facebook. When you're embedding money into a platform and then telling people not to think of it as an incentive, you're asking them to do doublethink. It doesn't work. Clearly the financial incentive is part of it. The only way to remove it would be to remove Hive. So then we must go in the opposite direction, and make it something that people feel they can live off (or at least supplement themselves with) or use as a savings vehicle.

The only way for that to happen is that the content has to go beyond being used just by other content creators. Think of Youtube. What if the only people watching videos were other youtube content creators? Would that be a successful platform? So it comes down to usability, attractiveness, and scale. But yeah, the financial incentive is embedded in the Hive itself. It is Hive.

But that doesn't have to be the only reason to be on HIVE

This is a subject for debate, but it's not worth promoting Hive as a constant and easy source of income (my opinion).
!PIZZA

Mm. Well I certainly agree when you say that it shouldn't be easy, but it's the constant part that needs work. If people constantly give value, they should constantly see a return. Otherwise they'll take their efforts elsewhere, which is exactly what we're seeing.

But it's as you say. This requires more discussion.

is this not what Hive police tries to stop? Ppl having fun on hive?

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I think bring fun to hive, bring memes here, let ppl have fun could bring ppl log in every day to get a smile.

Thats what i want for hive. PPl have fun and a good time. This strengthens the community in a long run.

Besides harmful content ( scams, illegal shit and so on) we should welcome all ppl that want to be here.

Maybe is a good time to rethink how to handle some things. Maybe new ideas about display content, show trending on frontends ( they need to decide for themselves).

Rethink downvotes on pure "disagreement of content". Make it more a protective sword of protection against scams ( other platforms will die on the AI scam shit in a long run).

Anyway i know I am not liked by a lot of Content police people. But at the end, i am still hanging around here and hope hive becomes something good in the future.

The tool of freedom.

To make my post less gay, here some tits
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"...bring memes here..."

Memes came here long ago. Everyone that brought them were flagged off the platform because plagiarism.

"...let ppl have fun..."

No fun allowed, unless it profits the oligarchy.

"Rethink downvotes..."

I posted last month seeking comment on how to improve DV management on Hive. I received no comments, not one, providing any possible mechanism to improve the situation, despite my extensive discussion in that post of problems and directions towards solutions potential.

"To make my post less gay, here some tits"

Possibly the gayest tits EVAR!

I approve.

yeah weaponized downvotes are a huge problem. It needs a hardfork to fix the mechanics itself. Is like Religion groups or competitors would downvote each other. Pretty Retarded.

Also a downvote overwrites someones Upvote, rewards doesnt come from nowhere. So someone did value a meme or whatever and somebody else doesn't and overwrites it.

So the one with Hive voted it up is also unhappy. Means less people power up. Like myself. Is retarded to power up and play the game. I would love to support meme and fun, but as soon i power up 100k or 200k, some cartel would downvote the meme and fun ppl.

They destroy the value for themselves. With ppl here not for crypto and money the price more stable. Is also no freedom of speech more like reeducating people on what they can say or not.

Covid, only one Opinion was allowed; others shut down and downvoted. Same on other world events.

Maybe we see 2 cent Hive, this would force to change or go into the abyss.

Millions of hive powered down only because of this behavior. And i not at least one giga whale thinking about leaving ( on auto upvote, doesn't interact). All about politics, Content is not neutral and the unenjoyable spam content is trending. Is worse as AI content.

ah yeah btw, the worst is DAO pays hivewatchers for the bully service. Anti scam protection would be good. But not "community guidelines," that's the gayest shit ever on a decentralized network.

@valued-customer

Spamming someone else's memes for rewards is plagiarism. It makes no difference if it is a meme, photogrpahy or art. The content did not belong to the user.

Also, I did not put this account on the blacklist again 8 days ago. Some others have access to the spaminator blacklist.

I appreciate you reaching out, and the information I was unaware of regarding @urun's account status.

I would like to note that memes have traditionally been uncopyrighted. No one claims them as original works, and sharing them as widely as possible has always been the desired result of making and posting them.

Because of this I do not think it is appropriate to pretend that posting memes is plagiarism, because no one has a claim on authoring a meme. I am pretty sure that if anyone ever tried to make such a claim they'd be roundly excoriated and no one would pay them any further mind whatsoever, nor any meme they produced.

When people do not claim to be the original authors of a work, whether meme or literature, but do attempt to source the material and provide editorial comment, I do not see that in any way to be plagiarism. I make every effort to provide source and to link to it when I post images I have found someone else made. I would like to see HW take a similar tack regarding memes they do pics, such that linking and citing source, and using them to illustrate editorial discussion is not plagiarism.

Would you find that a reasonable policy regarding memes?

Also, in my post seeking comment on improving DV's I would have very much appreciated some input from you. I expect your familiarity with DV's has given you plentiful observation of their shortcomings, and almost certainly to have prompted you to think of better ways to implement them. I doubt anyone could provide better insight into that subject that I was seeking. If you prefer to give it here rather than on my post that would be great. I don't post to make a bunch of money, because I post and read to better my understanding, and I have had my understanding bettered by you before. Do you have any thoughts on that matter?

Hi. Thanks for the comment 🙂 When they use someone else's work, they can simply mention that the content is not theirs. If they don't mention, they automatically claim the authorship of the content and deceive readers into thinking that they the are the authors. If plagiarised content is not tractable to the original is irrelevant. Poetry, articles, memes, tales, photography, art, jokes, etc. Memes are not any sort of exclusive and extraordinary content to get a jail free card. Hivewatchers have been explaining why it's abuse since it was created in 2016. If some content isn't traceable to the original author is irrelevant. It doesn't take any effort to simply mention the source from where the content was copied and pasted from to point out honestly that they aren't the authors. Rewards weren't declined, source of copying was not mentioned/non authorship wasn't mentioned so the content was deception towards readers and abusive activity to gain monetary and/or social reward. Also, even if the source of copypasta was mentioned but there's no significant personal thought added to sourced-shared content, it could be considered as no effort copypasta spam to fish for rewards (unless rewards declined).

I personally often use other's content when create a collage on social media including using memes. If I can't trace original source, I simply write in sourcing "Original Source of meme: unknown". In this way, my readers know that I didn't create it and I'm honest about all content used and clear about what was of my creation in collage.

I personally often use other's content when create a collage on social media including using memes. If I can't trace original source, I simply write in sourcing "Original Source of meme: unknown". In this way, my readers know that I didn't create it and I'm honest about all content used and clear about what was of my creation in collage.

Because you are the only one on the Internet doing it doesnt mean is good for the other 99%. Check any social media and show me at least 50% of cases ppl share of a meme the source.

Most people on Hive disagree with it. A poll at least, would be good ( so the rules can be voted on).

I promise you "no fun and random rules" will kill this Blockchain. And you take a big part into this.

Rules should be same to other social Media platforms (Otherwise, why use Hive? COme one, give me the sell point of Hive).

If i buy tomorrow for 5 BTC 5 Million hive, i am not allowed to vote for memes? So you are above every stakeholder?

Your rules above anyone on the chain?

You also dont see your power is a attac vector? Everyone can buy for 1 BTC hive now and copy your work ( For a attack, it would be enough to downvote all new users on autopilot).

Or if someone hates Christians or muslims, do the same for them. It shows that the downvote mechanism looks good on paper but is also something that will never let the chain scale.

Just because there's pervading content theft that's allowed to be rampant on social media, doesn't mean that it should be ignored.

Fair enough, and exactly responsive to my query. A bit of common sense would seem nominal to extricate anyone with good faith from the problem. However, I personally have observed users being perennially DV'd on content that doesn't run afoul of that standard, and while I cannot state HW alone is responsible, the relationships between spaminator, Marky, and a variety of others I note practice that behaviour are opaque and cannot be confidently ascribed to any particular source, nor exclude any. As I am addressing you, I can only address things I have observed you to do.

Do you DV creators and accounts on content that does not feature such lapses in attribution just because they once did fail to do so? Do you limit application of DV's to content that is failing to properly attribute non-original work and personally editorializing or otherwise contributing original work, as you outlined above?

Every user has their own view of what should or should not be abusive. HW's scope is clear and generally applied equally to each case. Of course, I take into account many different factors for blacklisting of downvoting, such as whether the user is new, intentionality, frequency of abuse, etc.

I do not blacklist new users. Neither do I downvote their new posts with abuse. New accounts that are downvoted are those that were evidently created as made-to-abuse.

If I see a new user who posted some AI spam or plagiarism, I would prefer to drop a general comment with guidelines, not specifying exactly what the abuse is. That's a different approach that I had in the past.

short question:

https://peakd.com/@epsteinfiles/posts

Is this original content? Or not? Or is this spam? What if someone would upload a Banger meme archive this way?

Is it because rewards are burn? But that would be still not be original and spam ( or not?).

As far i see, nobody does interact with it, and it's also not really a backup since it's not easily searchable.

Next is what if this kind of content scales? Nobody reads but it backups something.

IDK that is the point. Its copy and paste and nobody will interact with it ( most likely) or read it since the files are on other places already backed up in really good interfaces.

The posts have rewards sent to burn, so there is no reward abuse with copypasta.

alright. So post memes but no rewards is ok.

Idea since you have influence, what if people have a default "fun mode"? Fun mode = no rewards.

And rewards can turned on ( so this gives users more freedom since rewards are this way optional). New users dont know.

And less work for you. maybe something worth a pitch to frontends.

I think that would end every " hivewatchers kills new users" talks.

And maybe display rewards more as a donation ( so new users doesnt feel entitled to it).

One more thing ( no rewards means also no rewards for a lot of hive engine front ends, i know most are bullshit anyway, but something to consider).

For example someone rewards memes with a shitcoin but cant because his shitcoin on HE is also turned off.

I know thats specific and maggi should be better anyway. But worth to think about it.

fun mode

Like you mentioned. Such features are up to each frontend to implement.

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Recently, two of my friends have left the platform, unstaked and gone their own ways. One of them has been accepted for the scholarship in China, and the other one said it's boring. We had a long talk and in the end, all I said was "as you wish". However, another one of mine has recently joined, so I think this come and go is part of this platform or every other.

Moreover, I am here for a long long long term. Although, I have been lowkey since Christmas, primarily because of my job and university workload. So, I cannot say much about others but the interaction has been quite low especially for the 'Waves'. So maybe...

Let's see what the future beholds.

Peace 🕊

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I saw that some good ones are gone, but one lady is back this year. She was taking a break but didn't give up on us :) But… question… what's the point of making a new profile if the old one is already big? People know you, you have a lot of connections… why would they do that? I'm confused 😂 Also… why should I sell Hive? If my Hive power is high, that means I have a bigger vote, and we can support more people. Over the last few weeks, I’ve noticed a few new users, but I still have a feeling something's not right… I mean, if you've been on Hive for more than a month, it's impossible to have level 25, right? It’s a level, or? 😂 And… some people don't use Hive for the same reasons we do…
P.s. you used a very powerful sentence… live long and prosper (I’m showing the hand sign like Spock) 😂 🖖

Haha yeah I'm not really a star trek watcher but it kind of fit well there so I went with it.

I guess some people like to "restart" their hive career cause they may have been bad actors in the past and ruined their reputation in one way or another, or maybe they realize they don't wanna be doxxed on chain or the other way around, dunno, could be many reasons!

I didn't think in this way…bad reputation…. but it's logical, as Spock would say... yeah, big fan of Star Trek here 😌 I can also say one reason why some of the active users leave… they come and think they can make millions in a month, without connecting or writing articles that actually have no point. Then they get disappointed and leave. We were all building our accounts... still are... unfortunately, some of them don't understand that there is no shortcut... sad. Thanks for the article…it was necessary for some people to read that... I hope they did.

I'm not even sure I'm qualified to answer this, especially if we look at my wallet, where things have been hovering around 150–200$ for the past two years, despite the fact that my activity has increased a lot over the last six months. The more active I am, the worse the HIVE price seems to get. 😄
But I'm still here, I'm having fun, I don't use any other social networks and hive is like a kind of virtual diary for me. Plus, I get to read interesting things and meet great people. That's more than enough reason for me to stay active.

As for users who used to be active but don't post anymore, I know about one woman who had a great blog and received strong upvotes, but I think she stopped writing because of issues with her keys (basically, someone else has access to them, she doesn't). That really sucks and I assume it's a problem that's hard to solve. :/

virtual diary

You really hit the nail on the head. For me, Hive is first and foremost a virtual diary. That’s what I believe can truly attract people in today’s world. Data preservation, the fact that your account can’t simply be shut down, and the guarantee that your records can remain available for decades — that’s the real value. These are exactly the things that would catch my attention today and keep me on a platform.
!BEER

Yeah that is true for the blogging Apps like PeakD and Ecency. But we also have Snapie, which is great for X/Twitter like content and we used to be quite a gaming chain.

I haven't tried this app yet because it requires entering keys. I'd like to use Hive Keychain, but I don't know how to do that.

I've logged into this app—I'll try it out now. Can someone tell me: will a Snapie post appear in all frontends? Should I create a new account for it?

As far as I understood it will appear within Snapie only to read but the comments and votes are also visible in Ecency etc. That’s because Snapie used this post container structure that Leo Threads and Ecency Waves use as well.

I have logged in with my normal Hive Account. Works fine so far.

I managed to upload a video from my second idle account – awesome. Thanks for the tip – I somehow missed it.

https://peakd.com/@travelssteem/snaps

I haven't tried Snapie yet. At the beginning I only used DBuzz, and that's actually how I ended up here.
Do you think being active on Snapie, since it supports a short status format, affects your profile's reputation in a good or bad way in general? :D Or does it affect it at all?

I think it counts toward Reputation.

I like to think the same way you described @russia-btc 😍, but then a random thought just pops into my head that there' going to be some kind of movie style apocalypse and all of this will disappear. Then there's no web3 or even web2 left (: ... but yeah, that's just my imagination running wild from watching too many movies and series on that topic. xD

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The more active I am, the worse the HIVE price seems to get. 😄

This means you're crashing the market dear @bibana 😂🤣

Ok, jokes aside, I've been in your shoes, my stake has been growing and the USDT value of it has been growing in a different direction, but it is what it is.

As about who is qualified to answer ans who isn't, everyone is qualified.

But I'm still here, I'm having fun, I don't use any other social networks and hive is like a kind of virtual diary for me. Plus, I get to read interesting things and meet great people. That's more than enough reason for me to stay active.

You descried what Hive is, perfectly! I'm glad you're here and carry on, keep up the good work! We need more people like you! 🤗💚

This means you're crashing the market dear

Hihihi, I like the way you look at it. I'm totally stealing that. 😅

And thank you so much for these kind words and all the support. You, the few of you I could count on my both hands fingers, create such a wonderful atmosphere here, and it's no wonder someone would want to be part of it. 😍

Then we need a crypto bunker 🤣

Ahahahhah, definitely we do! 😅

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What I mean is that they mainly care about the value amount rather than how much stake they can build before inflation drops and it gets harder to earn it the same way they may earn it now.

Bullseye.

For sure if hive tomorrow goes to at least more 10 cents of value all of them will be back. The problem was always the onboarding with promising in getting money in exchange of posting. I think onboarders failed a bit on that, I only don't include myself in here because none of my onboarding strategies worked with friends and family. I know how it is hard to onboard, but people come with expectation of earning $$$ not HIVE =p

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it's the same with splinterlands, during 2021 people would brag how you would make hundreds of $ a day by playing and that attracted masses, now most of the players are gone

people are attracted by earn and money, you can bet all the stake if hive goes back to 0,50$ a lot would return...

i see lot of new users giving up after a while, maybe they expect to always get big upvotes? maybe they get upset to get bad votes and see other crap getting lot of votes? no idea really

Many come for the Money and some stay because of the Fun. But the majority wants great apps. Splinterlands was one but they messed it up with their tokenomics and getting to complicated. My view.

What we need is more such Apps, that people love to use and often not even knowing they are using Hive Blockchain. Snapie has some potential in that direction. Shorts are big trend. We will see.

But we need something unique... Why people should use the niche snapie when you have established Twitter or bluesky? Or many others

i mean one reason is that anyone can earn on snapie vs twitter that just keep raising the bar to start earning adrevenue

I'm sure some who have kept trying to reach that goal are eventually going to give up when they understand they don't want everyone to earn, just the top 1%

anyone can earn on snapie

Bait.

"...they don't want everyone to earn, just the top 1%"

Exactly what will happen with Snapie, because it's exactly what is happening with Hive.

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True. X/Twitter 2.0 probably won’t do. Was meant more as an example for an easy to use App on Hive that has use case. Though competing with the ones like X will be very hard. Although Signal is an example which was able tp hrab quite some market share from the huge Whatsapp with better privacy features and Open Source.

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We're definitely losing a lot of active users. I remember before, curating Filipino users are quite easy because they have a lot of them here but now there's only a few left. But some of those who disappeared are students, some are newly graduate I think and maybe they get so busy in the real world or something.. 🫠

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They will come back when the markets start to get more green. We have seen it over over again through the cycles. Now, if the four year cycle is a thing of the past like some suggest, that could be a different story...

It is a thing of the past, charts prove it. And you're right, we've seen so many come back and put pedal to the metal, hoping to get rich in a month or two, because the market price of $HIVE has been up and expecting those who've never left, to support them.

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The discussion came up that we're "bleeding" users or that we're not maintaining population replacement rate, which I assumed means we're losing more active users than new active ones joining. I just noticed a new one who had joined and commented on a post of mine, now if they're really new or just on a new account is anyone's guess. :P That's one of the tricky things about Hive, maybe I'm talking to the same person in my comment section even though there's 20 unique usernames at times.

Yes, as long as we can't verify who's behind the account, this is a mystery. However, looking at the onboarding numbers blindly and taking them at face value is not the best thing to do. We know some people are creating accounts like there's no tomorrow, hoping to automate posting and get rewarded. these accounts can't keep up their activity and thus, the bubble will burst at some point.

Naturally, those who will mainly benefit from this are those who know when to sell - I'm not one of them, unfortunately, maybe cause I'm too married to Hive and wish the sky for it rather than taking some profit here and there for darker times, I just keep hoping the day will come when we go up and then stay there to give projects and stakeholders some breathing room and time to shine.

It's possible to benefit from price fluctuations, but you have to know the levels and even so, it's extremely difficult and risky. $HIVE is an illiquid asset, swings in both directions are crazy. However, it's still a possibility to have a decent stake on exchanges and play the game.

Have you noticed any active users go missing lately?

I message some of the users I'm in contact with, if I see them inactive, but at the end of the day, being here every day is a luxury for most. We all have our lives and duties and we need breaks as well :)

People who disappear are those who join with the idea of making money by posting, and when a post doesn't get the votes they expected, they get disappointed and stop posting. I don't criticize them for joining with that idea, but they need to learn that they don't just earn money by posting; there are different ways. In my case, sometimes my disappearance is due to lack of time, but when I return, I come back stronger. We must teach these users and motivate them to stay... There are several ideas that could keep the focus on #hive; we just need to get more creative to keep everyone's attention.

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I think I've noticed some decent new users appear here and there. Whether they stay or not remains to be seen but I think for every 1 that leaves, permanently or temporarily, 1 or 2 joins that ends up being good people. It's not necessarily a balance, because it would be nice if it was 3 or 4 join that are great but the people I've spent time with here are on the newer side, and I am pretty glad to say they stuck through some challenges but are on the other side still!

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they'll come back. when hive value goes up. 😆

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My Impression is that indeed there is less activity here on Hive compared to 1-2 years ago. There used to be of course much more Splinterlands posts but also more posts about $HIVE itself. You can also see the decreasing active userbase in the monthly stats by @arcange.

I am still here since I love the chain, the blogging, the interaction with my community here and stacking HP to climb up the ladder.

Hive on!

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I haven't seen many people who aren't active here. And I think I am one of them, but only in terms of posting; I can only write once in a while because my signal in our province is intermittent, but I still read blogs and leave comment as well. I'm just not sure what their reason is for others.

Greetings friend, what does this mean I don't understand? Inflation is set to keep being reduced every 250k blocks or ~9 days by 0.01% until it reaches 0.95% in 10 years or so

If you don't count HBD conversions, for instance HBD coming from the DHF that people may convert to hive and increase inflation that way, the rewards pool is meant to shrink over time. In 10 years the yearly inflation is going to drop down to under 1%, meaning that if we have 1 billion hive tokens by then, then there's only going to be 10 million hive per year, while currently there's a lot more than that being printed yearly.

I.e. the amount of hive that goes out as rewards to authors, curators, witnesses, etc, is constantly going down as a rule of the blockchain.

But I don't understand something: if we haven't reached that point yet and there's a user crisis due to Hive's price, does that mean there will be fewer users in 10 years, considering that the vast majority of us are looking for rewards? It's not that I'm very well rewarded, and yet I'm still on Hive, but I think it would be difficult in 10 years to be here and find it almost impossible to get rewards. Do you see what I mean?

Just because less hive is going out doesn't mean it means less rewards, depends on the price of hive, but it's normal for token emmittance to drop over time, same happens with bitcoin for example. But yes generally now and until we get closer to 0.95% is probably the best time to earn hive, especially with few authors competing for it, those who come later will have to be okay with getting hbd and less hive

I understand now. It's great that I'm in the right place at the right time to get Hive and be able to buy it at a relatively low price. Thanks for the explanation.

I was here when hundreds of thousands of onboards were ejected from the platform after April 2017. All of them I discussed it with stated all of their earnings were taxed away by downvoting every post and comment to zero. I also know people that have left in the last year or so, and every one of them reports exactly the same reason. This is the only reason Blurt exists, originally solely differentiated technically from Hive by elimination of this mechanism to drive users from the platform.

When I requested comment last month regarding how to fix this mechanism, not one person provided any substantive suggestions, not you, nor anyone else. This suggests to me that Hive growth will not be tolerated, and that leaves only the opposite potential. There is a reason for this policy, which you state towards the end of the OP. Stake has been centralized in an oligarchy on Hive and those in that oligarchy intend to maintain their common majority of stake and complete control of governance of the platform because that maintains their control of disbursement of inflation to their accounts. Today 10% of inflation goes to content creators, and 90% of it goes elsewhere, to curators, witnesses, and the DHF primarily. This is not accidental. It is the policy of that oligarchy to maintain the majority of stake and discourage the success of content creators on a social media platform.

I would like to see any glimmer of hope that stake could be decentralized and that Hive could survive long term. That isn't offered in the OP. Across the world ever greater censorship is being imposed and people are abandoning platforms en masse. Hive is not taking advantage of these hordes seeking less censorious platforms - because it has always been more censorious than platforms now hemorrhaging users. Until and unless that centralized capacity to functionally ban users is relinquished, Hive will continue to be the wrong choice for the market seeking free speech that is today exploding as platforms like TikTok are abandoned and people seek censorship resistant alternatives.

Hive isn't dying. It's being killed.

Moro nas montanhas, numa cidadesinha de puco mais de 2 mil habitantes (contando zona rural). Sua postagem é realidade de dados.Onde quero chegar? Tenho várias goiabeira que florescem e dão centenas, talvez... Milhares de frutos. Grande parte que não é colhida... Caem e apodrecem... Soltando o aroma delicioso de goiaba madura. Se formos verificar... Constatamos... Milhares ou bilhões de sementes que... Não desistiram... Ainda estão no chão procurando uma oportunidade de... BROTAR. Virar pé de goiaba. rsrsrs Sucesso e Mindfulnes

Sadly, you have hit the nail on the head. Until seeds can sprout and grow only the tree that captures all the sunlight will prosper.

I wish I could grow guava here, but even without being shaded they will not grow here.

Como humanos... Somos criativos. Precisamos calibrar o tom. Sucesso e Mindfulnes.

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It is obvious that many people here are, or were, money-centered.

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I’m happy that someone is talking about this thing, honestly for third-party reasons I had to disappear and also leave many projects behind, and thinking back on it really makes my heart ache. Unfortunately an 18-year-old kid couldn’t keep up with it, and now that I’m 21 I think I can try to find some balance, and I take full responsibility for my immaturity for what I did in the past.
Anyway, I came back now that I saw the lowest price because I’ve been through it and I understood that the best moment to come back is this one, not to make money now but because it’s in the desert that water has the most value and if you find a river in the desert then you reach the sea.

After this particular metaphor, I also believe that short content is a huge pile of bullshit and doesn’t help the community at all, I’m using a strong term, it helps for fucking nothing, it’s just the shit from Twitter that we see every day that doesn’t work and we didn’t copy a fucking thing from the only short content that works, which is TikTok… But whatever, I don’t even believe that one is useful.

We have to create something that makes people understand how strong HIVE is, how it’s the only reality that allows HIVE to be better than Solana, than Binance, than TRON, than all these blockchains that make you want to vomit and that have no fucking useful use and are just copies of one another and are only used to speculate. I see in HIVE a potential, a way where even in IRAN, where people have no possibility to say what they want, HIVE gives them the chance to emerge, all you need is an internet connection and a phone, and it’s not the earnings from posts, it’s what HIVE can give, the freedom it can give that no social network will ever be able to give!

There are negative sides for sure, like that a pedophile or a person who deals drugs will always be able to publish whatever they want, but I believe that Hive, with the limitation of posts through dapps, is on the right path, and then I’m making a broader point: these problems are real and they are right there in front of us and I decree that evil must be fought not by hiding it but by educating it.

Sorry if I went a bit off topic but I opened the page of today’s most viewed posts and it was exactly what I wanted to read.

THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU WROTE! <3

I'm still on Hive, my friend, not as consistently due to work, but I'm building a future on the platform. I believe Hive has a lot of potential. Later on, when I can, my goal is to invest Meanwhile, I'll continue growing and writing on my blog.

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I would love to see many more people on Hive, but the vast majority think about money, and that's fine, but I believe that to be on Hive you don't just need to think about money and rewards, but rather feel that there's something important here that we can build together. I think those are the users that Hive truly needs. People who, in addition to receiving rewards, feel the need to build something worthwhile. That would be wonderful and really cool.
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What I mean is that they mainly care about the value amount rather than how much stake they can build before inflation drops and it gets harder to earn it the same way they may earn it now.

It wouldn’t surprise me if some users drift away for that reason, but at the same time, it’s probably part of Hive’s natural cycle. Those who stay usually start to understand that building HP early, while inflation is still higher and rewards are more accessible, is an opportunity that won’t exist forever. In that sense, these moments don’t just test the system they test conviction.

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knowing a large portion of our active userbase is from developing nations it's not difficult to understand that some can't keep holding hive even if they wanted to and are starting to realize, at least maybe after the recent hardfork, that hive isn't coming back as easily as it used to. Inflation is slowly dropping.

It is true that users in developing nations are usually the ones who withdraw most or all of their earnings. When the price of Hive drops, they often leave. We saw this in Malaysia; at one point, we had nearly 1,000 users and many active leaders. Now, very few of us remain. Some are still active, while others (myself included) are on and off due to work commitments.

However, I use Hive primarily for savings because the situation in Malaysia isn't great, and it seems to worsen with every change in government. I hope I don't have to withdraw the Hive I’ve been staking for the past few years, but with how difficult life has become, that day might eventually come sadly.

Anyway good to see you always active here always can count on you to talk about the serious stuff in Hive.

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As long as we remain on Markymark's blacklist and any benefit is taken away by buildawhale or freebornsociety with a series of negative votes, there's no point in publishing on Hive again. What's the point?

maybe you shouldn't have gotten yourself blacklisted to begin with?

It's funny how abusers never tell the full story but act like a victim everywhere

Maybe if they explained why we're on that list, it would help a lot, friend. Marky never answered my messages, and even through Freebornsociety (who replied to one of my posts), they didn't clarify what I did wrong or how to fix it. They just gave me evasive answers and told me I should open another account.

Why am I on that list? I don't know. I don't consider my posts to be spam, I never offended anyone, I never committed any fraud. I'm simply on that list, and that's all.

Freebornsociety downvote with dust value. It is used to monitor downvoters and what is getting downvoted. Not related to u nor it takes alot of $ away from you.

Your problem is not freebornsociety who is following a downvote trail to monitor onchain activities.

It's not related to you, and it doesn't take much money from you.

It doesn't take much money, but take money and that's where the problem lies: "What authority does he have to downvote you and take pennies from you ? Who authorized him to do that?"

Who authorized him to do that?

Fortunately/unfortunately code is law

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WTF?! I brought in like 3 whole people! Where the hell did they go?

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too soon for that novelty account I'm afraid

Too soon? Well smack my ass and call me a biscuit! I thought I was about 4 years too late.

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This is bass ackwards. Social media has become the largest sector of global financial markets. Interactive discussion is the most important function of society, because it is the sole means of managing threats and developing economically. It's also fun. Hive, however, like all legacy media platforms, is controlled by stake, and ~36 whales have maintained a bare majority of stake on Hive since the advent of the platform in 2016 until this day. By means of possessing that majority they completely control the consensus witnesses, whom control the code that directs inflation issuing from the rewards pool.

Content creators capture ~10% of rewards from the pool, and whales capture ~99% of rewards from the pool, and that means that all other content creators split ~1% of rewards from the pool. This is a ridiculous way to grow a social media platform, and we see that Hive is not growing, but shrinking. Because new money only enters the system from new onboards, and ever fewer new onboards produces ever shrinking new money in the system, the price is collapsed, and collapsing further. Until and unless the oligarchy changes it's policies and allows greater decentralization, that will not change.

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