RE: Hanes purchases Steemit Inc

wattersblue 5 years ago

Yep, exactly this. You guys caused this mess with your actions. Own it and get this thing straightened out before it's too late. Do what is good for steem instead of just whining that you are not in the top 20 any longer. The more you do stuff like this, the more it looks like your soft fork was really just to keep yourself entrenched at the top as opposed to doing what is actually best for steem as a whole.

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captainklaus 5 years ago

Made the same move some days ago; theren is a broad distinct line between humorous and simply stupid bitchy.

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nonameslefttouse 5 years ago

Dude. This was satire. If we can't laugh at ourselves, we're not learning.

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novacadian 5 years ago

If we can't laugh at ourselves, we're not learning

Maybe with a stand up sock puppet account. Yet this is the account which Mr. Sun will see presented in any town halls or what-have-you. So long as he is out of the top 20 perhaps it is not as big of a concern. Yet he has been in and out since the TRON drama. This is my opinion only. My apologies if it has brought rain to your chuckling. ✌️😎

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nonameslefttouse 5 years ago

Well, it is kind of ridiculous you're attempting to poke this guy with a stick and say "Do something already!" Any time I go looking for facts I find these people talking and attempting to straighten things out. Just last night they had a bit of a talk with some David Roebuck guy I never heard of and he seems reasonable.

Don't you think it would be far more dishonest and two faced if aggroed here was using an alt account to troll? It's satire. There's nothing to be ashamed of. I'm certain these Tron people realize there's plenty here to joke about. Should we all just be lighting torches, grabbing picthforks, and being obnoxiously angry over things that take time and patience to figure out? In other words, should I be acting like you right now?

(Zing. Just messing with you.)

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freebornangel 5 years ago

Give 'em hell!
Maybe we will get action we should've had since the eip.
The iron is hot, boys!
Time to strike it, IMO.

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gamer00 5 years ago (edited)

I don't agree. If we are not allowed to defend ourselves from a clear takeover, what can we do? Why do you think it was wrong in the first place? If we didn't do anything, the chain would no longer be ours. Justin's actions clearly show he didn't have good intentions from the start.

Also, if what our witnesses did was illegal, why did Justin not just sue them as they were all well known, instead of attempting a clearly illegal takeover of the whole blockchain, and then blaming "hackers". Now he has not only lost the chance to use the law to his advantage, but any good will that might have been to his advantage on winning the hearts of the users (the lifeblood) of the blockchain.

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novacadian 5 years ago

Why do you think it was wrong in the first place?

Because it was an arbitrary restrictions of options to specific accounts. If they want to stop STINC accounts from voting for witnesses then stop everyone from voting for witnesses. If they does not pass the stink test then we should not have done it for specific accounts. There is EOS for that kind of shit.

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gamer00 5 years ago

Blocking everyone from voting is also the same as a coup.

I don't think the voting system is necessarily the best it could be, so yes, something should be done about it. But as long as there is a stalemate, nothing can be done.

A fork maybe.

But can we keep the name "Steem"? That's the question I have been pondering about. Did Justin buy the name?

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novacadian 5 years ago (edited)

Blocking everyone from voting is also the same as a coup.

That was my point with such an extreme example; yet in true decentrslized DPoS what is good for the goose should be good for the gander. There were probably other universal solutions that would have been just as productive as HF22.2 yet not as drastic as my example. If not then a genuine threat of a chain fork should have been presented to Mr. Sun which would be triggered if he used his Ninja Stake in governance; which in fact he did.

The Ninja Mined stake of STINC seems to have been a flaw in the project which only a chain fork can fix.

@null|Mr. Sun

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novacadian 5 years ago

P.S. Keeping the name STEEM will depend on the exchanges and if they will install the chain forked version. Traditionally they have not.

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gamer00 5 years ago

I still don't understand why Justin didn't just sue the witnesses instead of making a blatantly illegal move himself.

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novacadian 5 years ago

Do you know how many jurisdictions you would need to sue in? 😆

We have been shown twice now that on the DPoS blockchain that possession is ten tenths of the law.

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gamer00 5 years ago

He would have the money though. Were I a businessman of his caliber I wouldn't consider that a problem.

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geekgirl 5 years ago (edited)

You are a blockchain advocate, yet don’t see the significance of soft fork 0.22.2? Even after 0.22.5 proved their concerns were right?

Don’t let Justin’s incompetence cloud your judgement. I am glad witnesses acted the way they did. They are there to protect the chain. That is exactly what they did.

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novacadian 5 years ago

Please explain how HF22.2 did anything other than piss off an egotistical rich kid?

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https://steempeak.com/steem/@v4vapid/method-to-the-madness-vulture-capitalism-comes-to-the-blockchain

geekgirl 5 years ago

I won’t bore you with my explanation. You probably made up your mind already. You may find this post more interesting than anything I could say:

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novacadian 5 years ago

That is an interesting link. Granted there was some skimming on my part, and just so you know it does not please me that @ned sold STINC to Mr. Sun, but the only reference of what at least v. 22.2 was intended to do (let alone actually achieve) that could be found was the following:

These actions were taken to protect the Steem blockchain as attempts to communicate with Steem's new overlords were ignored for a considerable amount of time.

Well that didn't work out so well. So, again, allow me to ask if you think anything was achieved by the installation of v. 22.2?

The intentions seem clear yet they say the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

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https://steempeak.com/steemit/@justinsunsteemit/open-letter-to-steem-community

geekgirl 5 years ago

The intentions of the Softfork were achieved and really quickly. When @softfork222 was announced, most of us were caught off guard. My initial reaction was critical of the actions. Below is my first reaction and you can see more of my comments of in @softfork222 announcement page.

It is after more research and interactions I came to realizing it was the best thing witnesses could have done to protect the chain. It being a softfork the community/stakeholders could easily vote out those witnesses if they didn't like the actions. Quite the opposite happened. The community voted @timcliff out of consensus, since he wasn't running 0.22.2.

Moreover if you look at the SF announcement pages you will see 1110 upvotes with rewards of $193. That just shows the sentiment and reaction to the news.

To answer your question, what SF intended worked. I didn't even take hours for @justinsuntsteemit make this post:

The post was positive, Justin didn't overreact and was willing to open up communication channels and talk to the community and witnesses. That is what everybody wanted. The community loved his response. That post received 1636 upvotes with rewards $247.42. Everybody was happy with how things were developing, there wasn't anything for anybody to worry about. If he followed through with what he planned in the post and didn't take hostile actions, we all would be celebrating today, his funds would be unfrozen, Steem heading to a brighter future.

Of course, what we all underestimated and didn't see coming were two things: how unstable Justin's decision making is, and most importantly how corrupt exchanges (binance, huobi, and poloniex) are. If exchanges didn't collude we wouldn't be in this situation.

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novacadian 5 years ago (edited)

Thanks for the longer reply. It did not bore me in the least. 😎

My original reaction to v. 22.2 was negative as well. It has remained so as it seemed to have achieved nothing in my opinion.

The trust of the chain has been broken and a rich bully is loose with enough stake to remind us of the weaknesses of DPoS. It is hard to imagine anything but a chain hard fork to resolve this issue and allow the space to take things back to the drawing boards. The OpenSeed and OpenLink projects sound interesting as explained by @andrarchy. Perhaps that will develop into something positive for DPoS because the pre-mined ninja stake of STINC has broken this kick at the can.

Initiated power down on this account tonight.

@null|Mr. Sun

✌️😎

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oldtimer 5 years ago

The funny part is that he don't understand why his witnesse spot is falling.

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novacadian 5 years ago

Or doesn't care. More fun than table top RPGs! ⚂⚃⚄

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oldtimer 5 years ago

He cares and he launched a promo campaign.

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irgendwo 5 years ago

It is even always the same mockery over and over again and again. But it might does fit to the progress of finding solutions, same mockery - same progress (Nothing new) :/ Can't wait for the next "He said steemy" post.

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moeknows 5 years ago

played a large part in creating by the installation of HF22.2.

I don't know that we can really say that. I mean, all of these accounts were created before the soft fork was implemented. I think the plan went off too smoothly to not have been in the works before the SF took place. The SF was implemented with the publicly stated goal of being a temporary measure and by my understanding reversible by simply putting a ' in a few lines of code.

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novacadian 5 years ago

HF22.2 was installed yet nothing, nothing and more nothing has transpired. HF22.5 has neutured the HF22.2 account restricrions. HF22.2 was simply an escollator. Reminds me of Russia Gate - The Blockchain Edition.

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moeknows 5 years ago

True. I think you have to take into account the amount of interaction created to vote in the witnesses to create a stalemate. Thus nothing.

There is definitely not a single point of escalation in this. There are multiple and ignoring some points doesn't make the other points more severe. While 22.2 could be considered an escalation, it had a public stated goal and rationale of being temporary. There could have been some communication from Justin's side, but there wasn't.

That failure to communicate was a point of escalation.
The deceiving of exchanges to power up was an escalation.
The takeover was an escalation.
HF 22.5 was a de-escalation (with the caveat that it was done under a central authority).
Calling the fork the work of hackers was escalation
Demanding a change in powerdown time is escalation

This is all from after 22.2. There were other escalations beforehand including:

failure to answer requests for communications
Announcement that Steem will move to Tron
The use of Genesis coins for Tron super Rep voting

All of those factor into the current situation.

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novacadian 5 years ago

While 22.2 could be considered an escalation...

It broke the trust of the Chain by individuals restricting account options on specific accounts, as opposed to a universal change, like no powering down for anyone.

It was an escalation by witnesses taking arbitrary decisions against specific accounts. There is EOS for that kind of shit.

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baah (1) 5 years ago

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novacadian 5 years ago

It was a decision to guard the integrity of the chain and the project, in the face of numerous instances where the perpetrators of the 22.5 hack had disclosed plans to dissolve steem.

It just pissed off a billionaire from my perspective.

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lapingvino 5 years ago

Let that sink in.

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novacadian 5 years ago (edited)

Let that sink in.

Let what sink in, exactly?

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baah (1) 5 years ago

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novacadian 5 years ago

O I see, so they should have went along with his plans to dissolve steem, because billionaires?

Heck, no. My point; which seems to have been missed; is that v. 22.2 achieved nothing, nothing and more nothing EXCEPT to piss off a billionaire.

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thehive 5 years ago

Maybe we should start removing votes from witness who do not show any representation of the population

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novacadian 5 years ago

Maybe we should start removing votes from witness who do not show any representation of the population

Already started with my @aggroed support. Came in with the 18 free witness votes which was withdrawn support for those witnesses who inatalled HF22.2 from those that had my support. @aggroed is the first for me to say, "fuck it", this is not a case of the lesser of two evils but the circling of the wagons (Boer War referrence) around those that will make the needed changes to further decentralize DPoS, in my opinion.

Allow me to put forward my strong endorsement of @timcliff as witness. The only member of the pre-22.2 consensus witnesses to not install it.

His skills as a blockchain Dev are beyond reproach.

Tim's self interests are a passion for blockchain technology.

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thehive 5 years ago (edited)

already have Tim Voted when he re-activated his witness

not that my tiny accumulated vote make much difference

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novacadian 5 years ago

not that my tiny accumulated vote make much difference

If votes/likes/upvotes mean nothing how is FB paying the server costs? 😎

You are telling the witness who has your support that you believe they will move, at least some version, of STEEM DPoS forward in a greater decentralized form and that we will follow where that takes them.

Should we ever get past the present drama there will be 18 open witness votes of mine to re-assign.

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joshman 5 years ago

Lol, get over yourself.

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appalachain 5 years ago

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