RE: Downvote Pool Deep Dive

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RE: Downvote Pool Deep Dive

jaki01 in #steem • 6 years ago

Thanks for not (yet) flagging me - just kidding. :)
Actually, I like your reply and partly agree with you.

Used in an appropriate way, flags are essential for the success of the community.
'Cheap' posts with huge rewards on tranding are a problem, together with the bid bots.

However, I also know that many users have suffered under unjustified whale flaggs, left (or will leave) the platform and spread that information. Even only just watching 'flag wars' (without being involved themselves) is really deterring for (potential) newbies.

What do you think about my suggestion (if interested you may read more in "My STEEM Vision.") to institute a committee of respected users elected by the community and equipped with sufficient delegated STEEM power, which could be called in such cases of flag abuse and then decide whether the flags were justified or not?

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eonwarped 6 years ago

Unjustified whale flags are going to happen with or without free downvotes. Sure, they get a little more juice proportionally, but I don't think of it as breaking (and it's also in fact why the % is not as high as what some people have been pushing for, which is 100%).

The downvote committee can happen today. Don't see what's stopping it. Good luck convincing enough people though. Actually, the downvote committee has a better chance of forming with free downvotes, and funded accordingly.

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jaki01 6 years ago

Unjustified whale flags are going to happen with or without free downvotes.

Crimes will happen with or without police ... Nevertheless I think it's good to have one ...

Sure, they get a little more juice proportionally, but I don't think of it as breaking

In my eyes it's already now way too much. I know people who left STEEM because of unjustified (at least in their eyes) flags, and I know people who didn't want to join after observing how people got flagged (often in an automated way) only because they spoke out their opinion.
(Just see how many comments under this article were flagged again ...)

... (and it's also in fact why the % is not as high as what some people have been pushing for, which is 100%).

... and I already wrote that I think the 'hybrid solution' would cause less damage than two completely separated pools.

The downvote committee can happen today. Don't see what's stopping it. Good luck convincing enough people though.

It won't happen if not supported by someone with a huge amount of SP (for example with a delegation of Steemit, Inc.).
Otherwise it's members either wouldn't dare to flag accounts with much SP or didn't care to write here anymore anyway.

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eonwarped 6 years ago (edited)

I'll go look for your thing, but this isn't two separate pools (since that is yet another idea).

My main point was that the abuse is going to happen anyway. And we need crowd sourced downvotes. Maybe your hybrid has the same problem, maybe not.

Then you might consider a downvote reversal committee as well. We have some of those around even today but could probably have more support.

Edit: oh, in fact that's what you were proposing. I misread the first time sorry :)

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jaki01 6 years ago (edited)

I'll go look for your thing, but this isn't two separate pools (since that is yet another idea).
Maybe your hybrid has the same problem, maybe not.

Actually, it's @vandeberg's "hybrid" I am talking about (he is using this term in his article). I think his hybrid solution is better than two separate pools of equal size, but I am still not sure if it will have a positive effect.

Edit: oh, in fact that's what you were proposing. I misread the first time sorry :)

No problem at all, I like your constructive way of discussing!

In case you are interested, you may (or have already?) read "My STEEM Vision.", where I illustrated my points of views more extensively. Then, even if you may not agree with every of my suggestions and ideas, at least you understand where I am coming from.

Good to hear about your downvote reversal committee (I didn't know about it, as I am not very often following the Discord discussions because my time is limited, and also English isn't my mother tongue) ... but isn't the problem that without significant SP you (the members of the committee) can become 'whale victims', as well?

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eonwarped 6 years ago

Ah it's not mine, and it's not significant enough. Just been watching steem flag rewards and company and they have some upvote countering on a trail. These kind of efforts should be getting more support in general in my opinion.

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