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bashadow in #steem • 6 years ago

I am not sure anyone has really sat down and thought this through enough. I understand you Want more people downvoting excessively rewarded post. I get that. Reality bites. Look at the number of minnows and redfish. have you even looked at the number of daily active minnow accounts? have you added up the total SP power (thats the vote power they all have) and seen how much of a monetary effect they can have on a post? A few minutes of a check on trending - largerst with a small scroll is $217.62.

Reality just how much of an effect on that post would all the minnows have? Do you think that all the Daily Using minnows could really make a dent in the payout? Get real people. My 100% downvote would be $0.03 cents. At the bare minnimum of dolphinhood my downvote would be $0.10 cents. You would need 2170 I just became a dolphins to bring it to $0.00. Or 7233 minnows that are able to cast a 3 cent reward.

Like @jrcornel has pointed out, all it will do is increase bad apple trollish behavior and drive more people away from the steem blockchain. I understand that it is already a done deal, that it will be done that there will be a downvote pool and there is not a thing anyone on the blockchain can say to change that. At least take the precaution of requiring a comment before being allowing a downvote to go through.

6 years ago in #steem by bashadow

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baah 6 years ago

It's not about the minnows at all, it's about the large stakeholders. If you follow the conversation you would recognize that. The large stakeholders are the ones who are looking for maximizing their profits in a rational way, they don't want to sacrifice their profits for policing the network. The crux of the issue is that it takes large stakeholders to counter large stakeholders effectively. Nobody expects 100 minnows to join together and do so effectively. Why would people all of a sudden turn troll? Just because a lost in the sauce nonsense Individual who has been around long enough to know that large stakeholders do care about the health of the network but disregards that evidence for the completely skewed notion that because our resident troll (singular) @berniesanders is flagging with his bots that accounts for the 95% (pulled out of his forgetful ass number) of the flagging. No, a few bad apples do no represent the community outside the fact that we have yet to effectively dissuade their relentless trolling, and no, the community won't suddenly turn into raging homicidal maniacs because you empower them with tools for self defense. What the fuck kind of latrine trash reasoning do you and other such prophets adhere to? Fuck me with a bulldozer.

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bashadow 6 years ago

What the fuck kind of latrine trash reasoning do you and other such prophets adhere to?

If it was not meant for minnows and the population in general then they would not have had polls to change the flag to a down arrow, they would not have pinned the Initial couple of EIP post, and they certainly would not have pinned this one for all on steem to see.

History and experimentation show that given unchecked power people will use that power. Take a re-look at the Stanford Prison Experiment, take a look at any social behavior experiment that give the ordinary extraordinary powers. Un like YT, FB, and a few other sites there is no real troll type activity other than the few serial down voters/flaggers on steemit. One does not need to be a prophet to look on seem and see or hear about the of accounts that were bullied off the platform from flaggers. (Some deserved it, others not.)

This downvote pool has never been about anything other than money. I have never said it is about anything other than the big stakeholders wanting to make more money.

It takes large stakeholders to fix it, I thought I clearly pointed that out with showing how many minnows and dolphins it would take to come together and have an effect on a large payout.

Perhaps there is a language barrier for you or a comprehension issue.

a lost in the sauce nonsense Individual

The "large stakeholders do care about the health of the network", they do not care about the health of the network, they care about the health of their investment.

However all that said, thank you for such an enlightening response, I have never been schooled by someone that wants to be screwed in the ass by a bulldozer.

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baah 6 years ago (edited)

You weren't around for the Whale Experiment, when whales got together and neutralized every single large whale vote and that increased the vote of everyone else by magnitudes and it was so successful and so well received that even @jcornel won't dare to rebuke that fact. Nuff said concerning that.

It isn't about the minnows and regardless of what you interpret the chicken bones or whatever signs you see it was always about getting the larger stakeholders the incentive to police the network. You can be certain all you want why they pinned posts and announcements or took surveys, yet despite that it still would be redundant as fuck to propose that minnows unite to fight large accounts. No, there isn't any extraordinary power given. You think 25% is extraordinary? Nuff said about that.

Fuck me with Canis Major.

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pibara 6 years ago

If you state it like that, maybe what is needed is the ability to down vote the reward rather than the post itself. Think I might look at writing up a blog post on some alternate models for that later. Think we could base some kind of counter proposal for a down vote pool based on that concept. Maybe a downvote pool that never cuts into reputation.

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bashadow 6 years ago

The idea of downvoting the reward giver did not go over well. You see that would remove rewards from the larger accounts, this is about increasing rewards for larger accounts, or that is the way I see it.

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