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edje in #hive • 17 days ago

This is a good way to talk about downvotes. As you, I do think this is needed as a feature.

I agree with you; forms of auto-downvotes, i.e., downvoting forever, are not right. I know a user who is constantly downvoted for - partially - the wrong reasons. This account is not following the rigid process to be removed from the ban list. Unfortunately, since this user is very committed to HIVE, he refuses to create a new account, he continues adding value to HIVE while being downvoted to zero reward value for the past few years for every single post he creates. With this, I try to say that the downvote feature can also be a somewhat abusive feature.

This is why most people who downvote do not a leave a reason when they downvote

You are so right. When I mute (in a community I am admin for) and/or downvote posts (in the same community), I usually get lengthy discussions. Interestingly, these are users not reading the profile for the community, not following the 'rules' and 'guidelines' for the community. Normally, these users hardly interact. But when I mute them, or downvote them, suddenly they wake up and start to fight verbally, using all sorts of arguments why they shall not be muted and/or downvoted, stretching the rules/guidelines clearly presented in the community profile, to a point that can not be defended objectively. Some of them return with similar posts that - again - are not following community rules/guidelines, even after previous heavy debates. Humans are an interesting species, that is for sure 😆

I do think we need a website where all downvotes and mutes can be debated. Out in the open. For a user to get themselves removed from a banlist, such user needs to get into Discord. I have no problem with that, perse, but I do think any debate shall be easily viewable for anybody. Including debates that happens in other channels. Hence, it is better to have a service powered by website to create a single source of truth. Perhaps debatably downvote/mutes can also be presented to the community at large to provide a community based verdict. Something that is missing imho.

17 days ago in #hive by edje

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hurtlocker 17 days ago

I will admit, humans are too interesting sometimes. Metaphorical chill pills are underrated.

I do think we need a website where all downvotes and mutes can be debated. Out in the open.

I am not trying to be “cute” but that website could be HIVE. The discussions about downvotes seem to be unique to HIVE and are super interesting imo.

For a user to get themselves removed from a banlist, such user needs to get into Discord. I have no problem with that

I have a problem with this. I have seen instances where people are onboarded to discord so they can dispute a HIVE downvote. This is counter intuitive and debatably counter productive. Why are we onboarding people to discord to use HIVE? (I have talked about this to HW on chain and they were respectful in response to my feedback).

I think HW should have a discord because most people prefer to handle drama in discord. HIVE is perpetual so I think it’s wise, to some extent, to try to manage this stuff in discord. That being said, if people only use HIVE and no other form of social media that should be ok!

We pay HW through the DHF which has pros and a con.

A pro is “good” stakeholders who operate in good faith, and don’t treat HW like an alien, can have good discussions with HW on their process.
A pro is people who downvote can go on vacation and HW can keep doing their thing.
A con is we pay for HW through HIVE inflation.

I have no problem with point 3 because vacations are nice.

Thanks for stopping by! I am always excited to see a new person come by and leave a comment (assuming it’s not AI spam to get upvotes). 😆

If you are talking about a different downvote list, not sure what to do about that. People who downvote get put on downvote lists by people that don’t like downvotes (seems circular and potentially perpetual 😅)

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edje 17 days ago (edited)

I am not trying to be “cute” but that website could be HIVE

Sure and we already do this, except for HW.

On HW, agree people shall not be forced to use Discord, therefore sollely on HIVE is the way to go.
Regarding a website specific for abuse conflicts: All message on HIVE blockchain, but presented in a service that is better than posts using post frontend. All to do with UX. Sure, when posting the convo on HIVE, these can be viewed as posts and comments, but it isn't easy to find them, especially for curators who like to understand why someone gets downvoted and all that. The while dossier shall be easy to find, read and all that. Such service could also bring in community votes for disputable decisions. This could also serve as the place where people who disagree with downvotes can easily discover the users/posts to upvote to balance the downvote. Think of our law systems, they build op dossier at a central place as well, easy to view/read/react to by varies parties. Instead of leaving the dossier distributed over various policy offices and other organisations.

I am always excited to see a new person come by and leave a comment

New person but 'old' HIVEan, and getting on age biologically 😆
After a HIVE vacation for half a year getting back into. Mostly curating, engaging and trying to find - for me - undiscovered users who do good to HIVE so I can include them in my curation and engagement.

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hurtlocker 16 days ago (edited)

It is an interesting idea. I don't know if centralized law systems work very well though. They tend to be corrupted.

BTW, I meant new to me on my blog LOL but I am guessing you knew that.

I am a bit intrigued about the last part of your comment. I am trying to get better a curating myself. What kinds of content do you curate based on someone being "doing good to HIVE." What are some things you look at to determine if someone is a good user?

Sorry for the segway away from downvotes but I am genuinely curios! I am fairly new to curating like I am now so I am open to other people's idea on what they do 😊

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