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antisocialist in #hive • 5 days ago

Bots are the reason you couldn't do that.
Bots have ruined most of the gaming aspects of this game as originally designed.
The ninjamine is really what killed it, but the bots were how.

Posting bots ahd curating bots would simply overwhelm the slices of the pie, leaving little for others.

Hive is doing much better since the fork.
Before, these conversations would not have been allowed.
Since the fork, tptb have taken a mostly hands off approach.
Character assassination and emotional meltdowns are hard to come back from, but other than that, it's pretty hard to get on the cancel lists.
Presuming 'good' content.

I see you are not in the 'official' discord: https://discord.gg/HaG6ByhC.
It's a good place to lurk, you could get interviewed on the weekly show, if you wanted to do that, otherwise it's mostly me and a few others day to day.
Lots of folks looking for their names to speak up.
Most days it's pretty quiet.
The show brings some in, but we had those years ago in abundance and they all fell off due to chain drama, mostly.

The longer I watch this game play out, the more convinced I am that we should have let the rules change us rather than changing the rules to suit tptb.

The flag wars would have been epic, but the n2 could have been defended, its lottery aspects made curation a game well worth playing.
Instead we let the rules be dictated to us by 'bad' actors.

Look at m-t's reports and ask yourself why he got ran off.
The power mongers were much more active before the fork.

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valued-customer 4 days ago

these conversations would not have been allowed.

I have not shrank from having them - but I did pay a heavy price for speaking freely when the flag wars turned into spam wars.

"The ninjamine is really what killed it..."

I think the Founder's stake simply wasn't properly spent. Dan and Ned neither one stepped up and fixed the problems they saw they had created, which that stake allowed them to do. Ned endured longer than Dan, but in the end both of them slithered off and left the bag we are trying to hold together ripped and torn. As Hurt mentions above, the love of money does bad things to people.

I see that Hive has the necessary functionality to serve as the infrastructure of voluntarist government, but the mistakes coded in the founders left behind them continue to make that potential impossible to employ. I confess it gets discouraging after 8 years, and sometimes I almost give up expecting folks that can do anything about it to ever do so. The worst flaw coded into Hive is the financial incentive not to fix the misaligned financial incentives. HF28 demonstrated that clearly by misaligning them even more. Them as have get more and them as don't get less, even as the pile shrinks until no one has anything. I honestly can't see altruism surmounting the wall between Hive and dominance of the social media sector that would turn that altruism into the greatest profit margin the world has ever seen. Cash is king. Soon the king will be dead, and no one will cry 'Long live the king!'

I'll give up then.

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antisocialist 4 days ago

I think the Founder's stake simply wasn't properly spent.

Most of the reference there was to those that got votes from the ninjamine, plenty of those folks still here doing things to insure that we don't succeed, nor fail to quickly.

Until that malign influence leaves the positions of power, it's unlikely for us to see any success.
Barring any coded breakthroughs I'm unaware of.
The right dapp could moonshot us.

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valued-customer 3 days ago

"...votes from the ninjamine..."

Sure. Once when I was arguing with them you don't name, in the midst of being flagged mercilessly for months, Dan appeared out of nowhere (I think he'd left the platform by then) and stomped on the BS, and boated me up out of the dust. So I even got one of them ninjamine votes once, but I don't think it's caused me to be a malign influence. Has it?

Anyway, the founders could have seized unitary control and fixed the problems that had become apparent with plutocratic governance, curation rewards, automated voting, and etc, but didn't have the spine. There'd have been screeching, but if they fixed problems and let governance revert to not them, then all the screeching would move to the horrible fixes to all the profitable mistakes they'd coded in when they were still young and naive, and it would have been entertaining to listen to Heimindanger drunkenly rant at them. Hive has the code to do great things, but the ability of any substantial stakeholder to tax 100% of the income of a lesser stakeholder indefinitely just utterly destroys any ability to do anything unapproved by whales.

And don't tell me to stop being poor. That's not the answer. The answer is reasonable management of DV's and that taxing authority. Your right to do what you want with your stake ends at my wallet - unless I'm violating the NAP by plagiarizing, circle-jerking, or the like. DV's don't even work on spam, because spam isn't seeking rewards. Other tools need employing for jobs that DV's can't do. There aren't other, better tools, because flags suit flaggots for purposes they're duplicitous about, so they don't want to change any of that. We have misaligned incentives in the code that make offers they don't refuse to folks that are willing to do things contrary to the advancement of Hive, such as flag ~1M users off the platform, for example.

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antisocialist 3 days ago

I still think that the cabal(the irl one, not the hive one) running things gave orders to scuttle the boat.
The only evidence I have of that is the actions of others.

IF the destination is the same, it doesn't matter if an order was given and obeyed, or not.
We still flounder as a result of intentional changes we didn't ask for and are not helping.

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valued-customer 2 days ago (edited)

Hive is very dangerous to tyrants and overlords. It contains the means to administer voluntarist government. Every vote counts, and can't be stuffed in a ballot box if no one real cast it (or this could be certified with oracles). These are existential threats to corrupt vermin that keep their power through vote fraud, through dumbing down their constituents, and through using gangs of armed thugs to force people to do what's good for them, or else.

If most people ever realized they could themselves decide what rules are just, and that they could pay for those things they wanted, but not for murdering brown people around the world, well crappy slavery-as-a-service would be obsolete overnight.

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