Drops of Appreciation

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It is -21°C (-6°F) at the moment.

And last night our heating went out. Well, first of all, a fuse blew, which I replaced, but then the heating system didn't restart properly, so it was pumping cold water through the radiators instead of hot. I stayed up most of the night getting things working again and then making sure they are actually working, because the consequences are far too severe if the house doesn't stay warm enough. Pipes freeze and crack, and the cost of repair is high, as is the cost and disruption caused by not being able to stay in the house.

Of course, none of this is considered by others in the house.


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Equality is selective.

Division of labour in our house at least in our house and many people I have talked with is far from equal in many ways, as the expectation is that men are meant to participate in the "traditional" roles of cooking and cleaning, but all of the traditional male roles like maintenance are still performed by the man. What is also interesting is that there is an assumption that all men are somehow unaccustomed to doing housework, and that they all grew up in some kind of home where their mother coddled them.

It is nonsense.

While it might be the case for some proportion, I think it has becoming increasingly rare for many over the last few decades, meaning that men in my age group and younger are pretty competent and accustomed to taking care of the housework. At least speaking directly from my own experience, I have lived by myself since I was 18 and have taken care of everything. I have also been cooking and doing my own laundry since I was eight or so.

Yet, because we are humans, we overestimate what we do, and underestimate what others do in relation to us. This is likely because we are present for what we do, but don't see a lot of what other people do. But it is also because we value what we do more highly than what others do, even when it benefits us. It is only when we are negatively affected by the lack of performance from another, that we start to value it, and then the "value" is that we complain that something hasn't been done.

In our home, my wife cooks more often than I do, but it is rarely anything extravagant. Not that it needs to be, but my point is, it doesn't take long or require much effort. However, she has also never mowed the lawn, never cleaned the garage, fixed the internet, programmed a TV, sorted out a piece of equipment - or cleaned the shower. In fact, it is me who does the majority of bathroom cleaning, the laundry, the folding, and making sure that we don't freeze through the winter.

Division of labour doesn't work based on equality, because the fact is, my wife and I are not equal. She has never chopped a piece of wood with an axe, because as far as I know, she has never wielded an axe at all. She has also never sawed a branch of a tree, nor has she carried a wheelbarrow full of earth. She just can't.

Should I force her to?

And herein lays part of the problem with equality of task in the home, because while she can't do many of the things that I do, whether through lack of strength or willingness to learn, I can do all of the things she does. And I assume that this is the case in most households. If I wasn't here, she might be able to learn some of the things, but ultimately for a lot of it, she would just have to pay someone to do the work, or rely on the charity of friends and family. Or find a new man willing.

The last one would be the easiest for her.

At times I complain about the inequality in the home, especially when I am called out for not doing something, as if I do not do anything. If I were to just stop doing anything though, perhaps it would highlight what actually gets done. Similarly, I also know that if my wife were to stop doing everything she does, it wouldn't be a great experience for me either, as there are a lot of things that she does that I appreciate her doing.

And maybe it comes down to the appreciation issue, where there is an expectation that men should appreciate the tasks women do, but women can expect men to do their work without appreciation. Women will often cite some kind of media-driven "historical patriarchy", but in a relationship, this is ridiculous. I am not part of that system, nor was I raised in a family that was part of that. I grew up in a household that valued equality between men and women, where there was definitely more emphasis on respect for women.

There was still division of labour.

But was there appreciation?

I didn't see much of it at least. But my family was a mess in many other ways.

It is good that people want to be more independent, but independence today seems far less about being able to do things for oneself, and instead me more about buying goods and services instead. It isn't true independence, it is reliance. It is just outsourcing the division of labour. My wife wouldn't be able to live in this house without me, because even if she could afford the mortgage, she couldn't afford to pay for all of the things I do that she can't in order to maintain it. Yes, all the surface level things I currently do she could do or learn, but a lot of the other stuff, no.

In most of the western world, there has been a shift where women are working more and doing less of the manual house tasks, as not only have men taken more of a role in chores and child-rearing, but technology has also eased the burden. But, has life got fundamentally better for women? Has society got better? And I think that these things have to be considered in the push for equality also. Because even if there was absolute equality, where men and women could each replace each other in the home - would we be happier?

I suspect not.

I think that for our own wellbeing, we need to feel relevant in the lives of the people we care about, but we are losing that relevance rapidly, and this has been another point that has degraded society and community. Now, to try and feel relevant, people are spending their time trying to get attention from strangers, by doing things that don't actually matter to friends and family, or the local community. And as homes with couples and children are also decreasing, the home is no longer a place to feel appreciated, to feel needed and relevant. Social disconnection is happening at so many levels, but people still have the biological need to feel connected.

The social dynamics have changed and are continually changing evermore quickly, but we as animals are not evolving as fast. We still have our needs that have evolved over the space of hundreds of millions of years, and they are not going anywhere soon. The disruption we have created can affect our understanding and desires, but the impact it has on our biology leaves us missing vital components. It is like not getting enough vitamin-C or calcium, or other key nutrients.

We get ill and feel bad.

This obviously goes well beyond housework and conversations around equality. We have changed the ways in which we live our lives and interact with each other, yet continually discount the effect it has on us. We seemingly keep denying our own humanity through a process of intellectualisation to feed our desires. Not just our base desires, but our desires for things like identity and equality. And while it might feel good to keep discussing these things in a vacuum, it is harmful to the reality of the environment, our situations, and taking practical steps toward making something better.

Denying who we are as humans, holds us back from being better versions of ourselves.

We should appreciate who we are, and work toward who we want to be.

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You Sound Like a Chased Dog.

You sound like a scolded lapdog. Tell me, what didn't you do that got you scolded? When I read it, I said, "This is a married man, a scolded man." I said, "Wow, it seems like that happens to all domesticated ones." You make me laugh, you know why? Because I feel the same or worse sometimes, like a scolded dog, especially when you give it your all and aren't valued.

On the bus, when I see women complaining about lack of chivalry, that men don't give up their seats... I've never seen a woman give up her seat to a man. You say, "Equality is going down the drain." Of course, there are exceptions - the disabled, the sick, or the elderly, though sometimes it doesn't seem like it

Women will always nag, the important thing is not to make a volcano out of it. You listen and say, "Okay, I'll do what I can." That's what Dad said, "Don't worry, she'll get over it." And that's how it is, after a while, she'll be super happy with you . Meanwhile, hang in there, just like in the crypto world... hold on, hold on, and you'll be fine.

Tell me, what didn't you do that got you scolded?

Nope, I wasn't scolded. =)
But it does happen.

On the bus, when I see women complaining about lack of chivalry, that men don't give up their seats.

I saw a video of some "influencer" doing this on a train the other day. She was obviously acting, she was about 20 years of age, full of fakeness and having her friend film it. Then saying "men won't get up for her" :D

Ah that one. It kills me and is no end of arguments in my house as I am expected to chip in with everything house'y and then Iona top of that do the "man" type stuff. My Good Lady is kat for equality too, on the surface

Surface equality - perfect, until you dig.

And digging is something that is left to the men! 🤣🤣

:D

Youngest dug a hole in our yard recently. No joke we could have sunk a small swimming pool into it (it was nearly 2m deep, 2m wide and 4m long give or take). He was bored apparently.

On the bright side it made getting rid of some greenwaste we had a lot easier.

Living in the house is a bit like investing in crypto. Great during good times/ bull runs. and REALLY bad when something goes wrong. Like that time when we did not have water for a month+(?). Still I prefer living in a house.

Like that time when we did not have water for a month+(?

That would suck! What happened?

I once had a hot water service breakdown and I didn't get it repaired for 6 months. Cold showers aren't that bad. However, it was also the tropics.

For many years we were using water from the well. Filling the well costed 50 and sometimes we needed to do that monthly. But one time water disappeared from the well in like 2-3 days. Still have no idea why. Filling the well every few days was not an option for us so we decided to start using water from city. We were calling to city water supplier and they told us to wait. We called again and again and they still could not help us. Finally we were connected to the city water supplier. But there was something wrong with connection so we had to pay 500 for people from emergency service to dig to the pipes and fix that problem. But after that we now have water. and bills for water are only about 20eur. win win.

No way! I feel like this happens to you every year! I'm glad you were able to get it fixed. I remember one year we got our furnace red tagged right when it was starting to get super cold. It was horrible!

I feel like this happens to you every year!

If it has any more problems, I will have them come back and take it all out.

I remember one year we got our furnace red tagged right when it was starting to get super cold.

What is red tagged?

Basically they say it is unsafe for you to use and they put a red tag on it. I don't think there are really any repercussions though. We called another guy and he said they just didn't feel like cleaning it. He gave it a good once over and we were good to go.

Reading this post, I could sense the weight you are carrying right now. I just wanted to stop by and send you some strength. It takes a lot of courage to keep looking for those drops of appreciation even when the storm is raging. Hang in there, my friend. You are doing a great job for your family.

Your reflections always make me think... Sending a big hug to you and your family from afar. hoping for lighter days ahead.

Your reflections always make me think...

I hope so. I think that we should all be having discussions that make us look at the practical conditions of our lives. Have a great week ahead.

A house is a lot of trouble; an apartment is better for me. And also a summer house in the garden.

Apartments have their many drawbacks too - like neighbours. :)

First of all, I am terrified to hear about the minus 21 degree Celsius temperature here. I think I will die if I live like this. I cannot bear the cold. Because the temperature here is currently slightly below 20 degrees Celsius and my body is shivering even though I am wearing winter clothes. Honestly, this temperature is unbearable for us. Secondly, all men are skilled in housework and they help their wives. Even I myself help with many things. However, when I was a child, my mother used to take care of me a lot and I myself was not used to such work, but now I have become skilled in helping my wife and I am helping her with work regularly.

Because the temperature here is currently slightly below 20 degrees Celsius and my body is shivering even though I am wearing winter clothes.

That is a decent summer day!

but now I have become skilled in helping my wife and I am helping her with work regularly.

Does she help you with your tasks too?

Reading this post, i can say, that at least there is equality among Men around the world. 🫂 i was trying to figure out i could left out, but everything is very similar...we never get the appreciation or praise for what we do. Still we are tough.

Still we are tough.

It is funny isn't it? Men are meant to just work without complaint, but also show their feelings.

You talked about relevance. That part really stood out to me. Feeling needed by the people closest to us is powerful. When that disappears, people look for validation elsewhere. Maybe the breakdown isn’t just about chores or gender roles, but about losing that sense of being important in each other’s lives.

When that disappears, people look for validation elsewhere.

People are now sitting on AI chats talking to an algorithm to make themselves feel better about their lives.

Yes equality doesn’t mean everyone does the same things. People have different strengths, limits, and experiences. Forcing sameness can actually create more resentment. What works best is honesty about who does what, and mutual respect for contributions that don’t always look equal on paper.

Forcing sameness can actually create more resentment.

Yes it can. Especially when one side is only losing.

Women complain of inequality as if it's the fault of men. They cite the fact that men take most of the jobs, especially the top ones, like heading cooperate organizations or in politics. They forget it's simply a matter of merit.

Men merit these positions more because they perform better in them, generally speaking.

That's why majority of great achievers in history are men. From intellectual stuff, to sports, to the literary sphere, educational sphere, science and tech, etc. And they didn't achieve all that by sabotaging the efforts of women around them. Both them and the women lived in the same conditions, had access to same information, but the men happened to perform better. And they think it's a deliberate and malicious act by men. Quite not.

The day they begin to realise this they'd demand less for equality and more for merit to thrive. If you think you merit more or same they be as good or better.

It's a bit like kids demanding to be treated as adults, and calling anything otherwise inequality. Would sound really ridiculous.

We don't have issues with sharing tasks at home and it has never been a discussion. There have been issues of me responding to my wife's questions in a way that leads to escalation and i am working on that :)

Where the in-equality issues still exist is at the highest level of corporate jobs. A lot less C-suite level executives are women and it is still harder for women to break through there as it is still good old boys club and there are some prejudice issues there...

I know the feeling! Especially the me being 100% independent part. I like independence. I ask it from people around me. I lived in relationships where women were dependent on me, and it didn't work out. Dependence influences the way we treat each other. I like to know that the person who's with me is there because she genuinly wants to, not because there's some ulterior motive.

men are meant to participate in the "traditional" roles of cooking and cleaning, but all of the traditional male roles like maintenance are still performed by the man

Meanwhile J does all the cooking coz he actually enjoys it and I really don't XD

also I'm reasonably certain I could set water on fire in a kitchen

After forcing everyone to at least have a working knowledge of the basics of how to run a house much to their disgust the chore division is just to everyone's strengths/what they hate least and is not equal in any way, shape or form. Which means J does most of the cooking with youngest doing some and the bigs even less, I do all of the laundry except for the kids' bedsheets (supposed to be their problem but sometimes it just ends up in the laundry room and I do it anyway -_-) and most of the cleaning and occasionally bully the kids into helping me (eldest is best at helping but may glitch out and wander off before completing all tasks, middle is extremely selective about what she will and won't do but does the stuff that she will do extremely thoroughly and amazingly, youngest goes out of his way to avoid cleaning but seems to think he does a lot more than he does) and the boys (including J) do most of the maintenance and outdoors/gardening work. Middle does stuff when home and able (she and her boyfriend are living between our houses, he helps too when given something to do).

there is an expectation that men should appreciate the tasks women do, but women can expect men to do their work without appreciation

I've mostly noticed the opposite while wandering through uni and a short distance beyond, where men don't seem to notice anything that women do at all but expect a parade because they did something super basic that one would normally do in normal household operation.

men are somehow unaccustomed to doing housework, and that they all grew up in some kind of home where their mother coddled them

Maybe they're these guys XD

She has also never sawed a branch of a tree, nor has she carried a wheelbarrow full of earth. She just can't.

Can understand the axe thing as I'm pretty nervous about swinging those and that coupled with not being that strong means if you want the wood chopped this century get someone stronger to do it. Those other things are not as hard though, she can't be that much smaller/weaker than me O_O

If I were to just stop doing anything though, perhaps it would highlight what actually gets done

Good luck with that XD I've gone "on strike" many a time and all that happened was the bathroom and kitchen became health hazards and the (clean) laundry piled up (because while I still washed and hung and brought it in I refused to fold and sort it) everyone very astutely refused to mention it because the last time (several years ago) anyone said anything I told them to do it. Didn't change anything.

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