RE: Dear Justin Sun – My open letter to you!

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RE: Dear Justin Sun – My open letter to you!

logiczombie in ART LOVERS • 5 years ago

To ME he is untrustworthy, or do you purport to instruct ME on what I should and should not think, believe and/or say?

Are you kidding me? I NEVER suggested The Sun was anything but "untrustworthy". We agree on this.

I AM a trustworthy person,

I'm sure that's true.

...in a fair community, the majority rules.

I'd say, in a fair community, the rights of every individual are protected.

In a MOB, the majority rules.

Majority rule is never fair, it's simply NATURAL LAW.

...scammers are untrustworthy and I have no idea what the hell you're talking about with the coherent principles...

SHOULDN'T ALL "UNTRUSTWORTHY" PEOPLE BE TREATED EXACTLY THE SAME?

5 years ago in ART LOVERS by logiczombie

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free-reign 5 years ago (edited)

No, they shouldn't.

Here's why: Untrustworthy people run the gamut of bad behaviors.

A traitor is untrustworthy; (is also perhaps the MOST untrustworthy, and intends harm.)

A person who tells those little white lies is untrustworthy; (but while technically a liar, intends no harm.)

A traitor should hang for the crime of treason.
With your logic, so should the little white liar.

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logiczombie 5 years ago

Once again, I agree with you (generally, but perhaps not specifically).

How do you determine if someone is, what you call, "a traitor"?

Is it perhaps simply based on the amount of stake they control?

Is it possible, according to your criteria, for a newb account with say, 100 steem-power to qualify as "a traitor"?

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free-reign 5 years ago

The example of treason (traitors) vs. little white lies was just to illustrate that there are varying levels of wrongdoing acted out by people who are "untrustworthy."

A traitor is a person who has been found guilty of the crime of treason. This is the type of treason that has the death penalty in America.

One who betrays a friend is also a traitor. But this type of traitor doesn't hang unless they do it themselves.

I guess we could consider the regular actions of people screwing over other people they don't even know, so they can get off, as traitors.

But this has nothing to do with my saying that Justin is untrustworthy. The example was to show that your statement that every untrustworthy person should be treated the same isn't right. The contrast between the traitor and white liar shows there IS a difference and not everyone who is simply "untrustworthy" deserves the same punishment.

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logiczombie 5 years ago

The example was to show that your statement that every untrustworthy person should be treated the same isn't right.

It wasn't a statement (declaration or assertion).

It was simply a question.

I understand that you believe that some "crimes" deserve more punishment than other "crimes".

I'm just trying to figure out what specific "crime" you believe deserves to have their steem wallet account frozen.

For example if a small account holder said the exact same things and threatened the exact same actions and even did or attempted to do the exact same things as Justin Sun, do you believe their steem wallet account deserves to be frozen?

What if the account holder was a red-fish, or a whale?

Is it the specific words and actions that makes Justin Sun a "heinous" "criminal", or is it simply their incredibly large stake that makes Justin Sun a "heinous" "criminal"?

I'm just saying, it seems like a lot of powerful "community leaders" would probably be more than happy to start freezing accounts of "dangerous" individuals.

Do you personally believe that would be "inappropriate"?

Or do you think freezing steem wallets might be acceptable, but should be carefully reviewed on a case-by-case basis (just like the current blacklists)?

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free-reign 5 years ago

The only people that I know of whose accounts are being held hostage out of all of this, are the people who have their steem on the exchanges which are colluding with Justin Sun, using the money of regular steemians and giving it to Justin to attack our witnesses. For this alone, I think the leaders of those exchanges AND Justin, should be arrested and charged with embezzlement at the least.

Those are the only people whose accounts have actually been frozen, and they are still being robbed.

That's it for me. You just want to defend Justin. He is in the wrong, and this is the last I'm going to say on the matter. Good day to you.

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logiczombie 5 years ago

You just want to defend Justin.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

I've agreed with you from the very beginning that Justin Sun is untrustworthy.

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logiczombie 5 years ago

The only people that I know of whose accounts are being held hostage out of all of this,

Report on accounts being censored on HIVE,

https://steemit.com/hive-171744/@andrepol/sorry-to-see-steemchiller-glory7-rakkasan84-wonsama-fenrir78-and-many-others-get-shafted-hive-171744

And,

// Accounts excluded [FROM HIVE AIRDROP] who voted a minimum of two sockpuppets or proxied someone who voted a minimum of two and who didn't unvote before the hive announcement with more than 1k sp

So I guess it's less of a "democracy" and more of a VOTE FOR WHO YOU'RE TOLD, OR SUFFER MINE WROTH!!

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logiczombie 5 years ago

And I predicted this a month ago,

I call it the "SUPER-WHALE PROBLEM".

Let's just say, hypothetically, that the Chinese Censorship Brigade decided they wanted to create an account (or buy an existing account) with (a relatively small) 2 million steem-power and start obliterating any accounts they didn't like (anything not written in Chinese).

Now imagine they managed to get their account up to (82) rep, and then power-stomped your blog (@tarazkp) into (-11) rep so ALL of your posts were automatically hidden behind some sort of vague warning message (strongly suggesting you're an unscrupulous person).

Would you be, you know, "totally ok with that", since "there are plenty of interfaces that will show it regardless" and nobody "deserves" to make a few steem-pennies off their blog if a whale decides to ambush you?

Who would you complain to? Or would you just go somewhere else?

https://steemit.com/hive-174578/@logiczombie/q5k28z#@logiczombie/q5lggd

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