RE: Dear Justin Sun – My open letter to you!

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RE: Dear Justin Sun – My open letter to you!

free-reign in The LIFESTYLE LOUNGE • 5 years ago

Let me clear up my position on using the word "untrustworthy" by considering the context in which I used it.

Concerning steem account holders, the only account that I've said is untrustworthy, is Justin Sun's. Why do I say he's untrustworthy? It's because I've heard him talk like he wants to do this and that, he claims to not want to control governance over the blockchain and he wants to increase steem value.

Then, soon after he says such things, he goes right back on the attack. Now he's trying to destroy the Dapps, removing delegations from the developers so he can continue to battle us.

You need to understand that I and MOST steemians now want nothing to do with Mr. Sun. He can now bathe in his stupidity for failing to exercise the most basic principles of honesty and forthrightness, rather than childish attacks. We now have a path that doesn't include him or TRON.

All I can tell you is that if you think Justin is such a great person, you can certainly move to his TRON community and shitcoin, if you aren't already there, which I suspect you are since a small number of TRONians are like the only people saying positive things about Justin at this point in this situation.

He blew it.

5 years ago in The LIFESTYLE LOUNGE by free-reign

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logiczombie 5 years ago (edited)

The rules should never be changed with the express purpose of targeting any specific account(s).

Do you agree or disagree with this statement?

Attempting to dodge the question of PRINCIPLES by feebly rushing-to-disqualify my sincere questions, clumsily painting me as "a friend of thine enemy" is nothing but a naked ad hominem attack.

The rules should never be changed with the express purpose of targeting any specific account(s).

Do you agree or disagree with this statement?

Do you stand by your PRINCIPLES or do you just change the rules because someone made contradictory statements?

With this precedent, should we start freezing the accounts of "abusive" "spammers" like those with negative rep and marked with 3+ blacklists? Why not? Haven't they also been branded as "untrustworthy"?

Isn't it "the community's" responsibility to FREEZE all accounts of "evil" and or "undesirable" and or "untrustworthy" individuals?

Isn't it "the community's" responsibility to FREEZE all accounts of people who insist on COHERENT PRINCIPLES (because only an evil person would insist on such a thing)?

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free-reign 5 years ago

I'm going to explain this once more and that's all.

In my post, the title of which is "Dear Justin Sun - My Open Letter To You," it is obvious that I was writing about Justin Sun. The title clearly makes him the target of the post, since it is a letter addressed to him.

As one of my criticisms of Mr. Sun, I expressed my opinion that Mr. Sun is untrustworthy.

You have lazer-focused on that and are trying to make it into something other than me simply expressing my opinion that Justin Sun is untrustworthy.

To ME he is untrustworthy, or do you purport to instruct ME on what I should and should not think, believe and/or say?

I don't go for censorship.

Yes, spammers are untrustworthy, and their mindset reminds me very much of what I perceive Mr. Sun's mindset to be. You see, that's MY prerogative. No one tells me what I can say and what I can't, or at the least, they won't be listened to.

If you started an "open-letter to scammers" posting drive, and asked people to write a post as part of your effort to stop scammers, it's very likely I would participate along with other Steemians, so stop trying to shame me by implying I don't always do the right thing. I AM a trustworthy person, as anyone who knows me personally would confirm to you.

As far as a fair community is concerned, in a fair community, the majority rules. The majority of Steemians, In My Opinion, feel the same as I do - Justin Sun is untrustworthy, scammers are untrustworthy and I have no idea what the hell you're talking about with the coherent principles; sarcasm, I guess?

Justin Sun came in as an outsider, immediately pissed everyone in the community off, and now he's in a bind with his purchase. If he was an honest person, I would have been in his corner from the start and would still be be in his corner now. He isn't so I'm NOT.

You seem overtly motivated to equate a logical statement, that Justin Sun is untrustworthy, and project that he is a poor victim of the mean Steemians. Yeah, mean Steemians who have had their fill of his lying and deceit. Justin Sun fucked this up, and he has ONLY himself to blame. I'll never be part of his empire. I'm going HIVE and HIVE only.

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logiczombie 5 years ago

To ME he is untrustworthy, or do you purport to instruct ME on what I should and should not think, believe and/or say?

Are you kidding me? I NEVER suggested The Sun was anything but "untrustworthy". We agree on this.

I AM a trustworthy person,

I'm sure that's true.

...in a fair community, the majority rules.

I'd say, in a fair community, the rights of every individual are protected.

In a MOB, the majority rules.

Majority rule is never fair, it's simply NATURAL LAW.

...scammers are untrustworthy and I have no idea what the hell you're talking about with the coherent principles...

SHOULDN'T ALL "UNTRUSTWORTHY" PEOPLE BE TREATED EXACTLY THE SAME?

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free-reign 5 years ago (edited)

No, they shouldn't.

Here's why: Untrustworthy people run the gamut of bad behaviors.

A traitor is untrustworthy; (is also perhaps the MOST untrustworthy, and intends harm.)

A person who tells those little white lies is untrustworthy; (but while technically a liar, intends no harm.)

A traitor should hang for the crime of treason.
With your logic, so should the little white liar.

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logiczombie 5 years ago

Once again, I agree with you (generally, but perhaps not specifically).

How do you determine if someone is, what you call, "a traitor"?

Is it perhaps simply based on the amount of stake they control?

Is it possible, according to your criteria, for a newb account with say, 100 steem-power to qualify as "a traitor"?

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free-reign 5 years ago

The example of treason (traitors) vs. little white lies was just to illustrate that there are varying levels of wrongdoing acted out by people who are "untrustworthy."

A traitor is a person who has been found guilty of the crime of treason. This is the type of treason that has the death penalty in America.

One who betrays a friend is also a traitor. But this type of traitor doesn't hang unless they do it themselves.

I guess we could consider the regular actions of people screwing over other people they don't even know, so they can get off, as traitors.

But this has nothing to do with my saying that Justin is untrustworthy. The example was to show that your statement that every untrustworthy person should be treated the same isn't right. The contrast between the traitor and white liar shows there IS a difference and not everyone who is simply "untrustworthy" deserves the same punishment.

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logiczombie 5 years ago

The example was to show that your statement that every untrustworthy person should be treated the same isn't right.

It wasn't a statement (declaration or assertion).

It was simply a question.

I understand that you believe that some "crimes" deserve more punishment than other "crimes".

I'm just trying to figure out what specific "crime" you believe deserves to have their steem wallet account frozen.

For example if a small account holder said the exact same things and threatened the exact same actions and even did or attempted to do the exact same things as Justin Sun, do you believe their steem wallet account deserves to be frozen?

What if the account holder was a red-fish, or a whale?

Is it the specific words and actions that makes Justin Sun a "heinous" "criminal", or is it simply their incredibly large stake that makes Justin Sun a "heinous" "criminal"?

I'm just saying, it seems like a lot of powerful "community leaders" would probably be more than happy to start freezing accounts of "dangerous" individuals.

Do you personally believe that would be "inappropriate"?

Or do you think freezing steem wallets might be acceptable, but should be carefully reviewed on a case-by-case basis (just like the current blacklists)?

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free-reign 5 years ago

The only people that I know of whose accounts are being held hostage out of all of this, are the people who have their steem on the exchanges which are colluding with Justin Sun, using the money of regular steemians and giving it to Justin to attack our witnesses. For this alone, I think the leaders of those exchanges AND Justin, should be arrested and charged with embezzlement at the least.

Those are the only people whose accounts have actually been frozen, and they are still being robbed.

That's it for me. You just want to defend Justin. He is in the wrong, and this is the last I'm going to say on the matter. Good day to you.

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